Elite PC Titan FX: BIOS and Overclocking



The Titan FX uses the familiar Award BIOS on the MSI K8T Master 2 motherboard. The available options should be very familiar to the Gamer and Computer Enthusiast who are the target audience for the Elite PC Titan FX, so we will not repeat the obvious.



While there is a Frequency and Voltage control section in the BIOS, the only adjustment that can be made is to the CPU FSB, with a range of 200 to 233. There are no adjustments available at all for voltage.



This also extends to the memory timings options. While you can force memory speed, there are no adjustments available for memory timings. Fortunately, the MSI does read and set SPD timings properly, which is why we see the excellent 2-3-2-8 timings with the Mushkin High Performance ECC Registered memory.



A very complete selection of system monitoring functions is available in the BIOS for the MSI K8T. This includes the option to control fan speeds automatically. We strongly recommend you use these fan control options to set the system for automatic fan speeds controlled by system temperature.



The Titan FX also comes with MSI's Core Center Pro windows-based utility for system monitoring and overclocking control. Since there are so few real options for tweaking and overclocking on this Workstation board, Core Center is mainly useful as a monitoring utility that works in Windows. None of the overclocking controls appear to work, but it is possible to set monitoring options.

FSB Overclocking Results

We are not surprised that only very limited overclocking controls are available on a board that is aimed at the Workstation market. With so few controls, we really did not expect much in overclocking, but we were able to reach a raw speed of 211 (844FSB), or about a 6% overclock, with stability. Any setting above 211 caused memory failure. We have tested Mushkin and OCZ's registered memory to about 220 (DDR440) with slower timings on other motherboards.

Front Side Bus Overclocking Testbed
Default Voltage
Processor: Athlon64 FX1
2.2GHz
CPU Voltage: 1.5V (default)
Cooling: AVC/MSI Heatsink/Fan
Power Supply: Sparkle 460W
Maximum OC: 2320MHz (+6%)
211FSB

We have been able to reach overclocks of about 230 (DDR460) by lowering the memory setting to 333 on nF3 boards as well. We suspect that if we had the ability to increase memory voltage or actually tweak memory timings, we might get better overclocks on this board.

Elite PC Titan FX: Stress Testing

We performed stress tests on the Elite PC Titan FX in these areas and configurations:

1. Chipset and motherboard stress testing, conducted by running the FSB at 210MHz.
2. Memory stress testing, conducted by running RAM at 400MHz with 2 DIMM slots filled and at 400MHz with all 4 DIMM slots filled at the lowest memory timings possible.

Front Side Bus Stress Test Results:

A full range of stress tests and benchmarks were run to ensure the Titan FX system was absolutely stable at the overclocked FSB speed of 211. This included Prime95 torture tests, and the addition of other tasks like data compression, various DX8 and DX9 games, and apps like Word and Excel. Finally, we ran our benchmark suite, which includes ZD Winstone suite, Unreal Tournament 2003, SPECviewperf 7.0, and Gun Metal Benchmark 2. At default voltage, 211MHz was the highest overclock that we were able to achieve with the Titan FX while running these tests. Since failures at higher overclocks were always related to memory, we suspect that we could achieve a higher overclock if memory timings were adjustable on the MSI K8T Master-2 motherboard.

Memory Stress Test Results:

The memory stress test simply tests the ability of the Titan FX system to operate at its officially supported memory frequency (400MHz DDR) at the lowest supported memory timings that the shipped Mushkin High Performance ECC Registered Modules will support:

Stable DDR400 Timings — 2 DIMMs
(2/4 Dual-Channel DIMMs populated)
Clock Speed: 200MHz
Timing Mode: N/A
CAS Latency: 2.0
Bank Interleave: N/A
RAS to CAS Delay: 3T
RAS Precharge: 8T
Precharge Delay: 2T
Command Rate: N/A

We had no problem running the 2 DS 512MB DIMMs in Dual-Channel mode with complete stability. While the motherboard sets SPD timings only, the actual memory timings that were running were 2-3-2-8 as confirmed by CPU-Z, Version 1.20a.

Filling all available memory banks is more strenuous on the memory subsystem than testing 2 DIMMs, so we tried filling all 4 memory slots — 2 Dual-Channel banks — with Mushkin High Performance ECC memory. While the system would reach the initial boot screen, it could not complete a system boot. We thought perhaps that the SPD timings might be a bit aggressive for 4 DIMMs on the VIA K8T800 board, so we tried 4 x 512Mb Legacy Electronics Registered ECC DIMMs, which we have run in an nVidia nForce3 Reference Board with no problems. The Legacy registered memory has 2.5-3-3-6 timings, but the 4 DIMMs of Legacy memory also would not boot. We also could not get even 2 sticks of Legacy CAS 2.5 to boot on the MSI K8T Master. We then tried OCZ EC registered 3200 and Kingston ECC Registered 3200. Both these memories booted fine when we installed 2 DIMMs. The OCZ has 2-3-2-8 timings like the Mushkin, while the Kingston is based on Samsung chips and has 3-3-3-8 timings.

Finally, we tried 4 Kingston ECC Registered DIMMs, which we had pulled from another system. While 2 booted fine, we could not get 4 DIMMs to go past the initial boot screen. In the end, no combination of 4 DS 512MB ECC Registered DIMMs would work. It appears the MSI K8T Master-2 is very sensitive to the memory it is fed. Our advice is to plan to use 2 DIMMs, or to order the Titan FX with 4 DIMMs. Elite PC does offer this option and this should deliver the working 4 DIMMs if that is what you want. Do not plan to just grab 4 ECC Registered DIMMs for this board as there is no assurance that they will work properly.

Frankly, we have seen difficulty going beyond 2 DIMMs on VIA K8T800 motherboards for both Athlon64 and Athlon64FX Opteron. It appears that the chipset is very picky about the memory used beyond 2 DIMMs.

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  • tfranzese - Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - link

    Doop, no I don't feel like a fool. It's better to be informed than be completely ignorant like yourself. Even Wesley, the guy who wrote this article, was under the impression the current FX's were dual capable. It could either have been fixed by AMD or fixed in the BIOs for all you know.

    As for sales, sales don't determine leadership. As for the 8x thing, being first to market a new speed does not make you the leader. Am I not the only one disappointed that it can't do 8x + and - R?

    And no, no one mentioned Pioneer in this article but neither did they mention Plextor. And you're kidding yourself if you think Plextor has the same prestiege in the DVD burner market as they did with CD burners. Plextors are good, but speed isn't what makes you the best.
  • Tweak - Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - link

    oops, late post.
  • Tweak - Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - link

    Well Mr Fink, can you answer the dual FX question for us?

    You changed the typos, but completely ignored this MUCH more important querry.

    In any case, if the 940pin Fx's are dual compatible it would be a reason for the 940 pinners to remain in existance after the release of the 939pin. The performance of the new 939's will probably destroy single chip 940's configs.




  • TheRealMandak - Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - link

    1. The Athlon64FX IS an Opteron 148, a single server/workstation processor.
    2. The socket for the FX, vill change to 941. So you might get problems with upgrading this system or have to use Opteron's at a higher price. "hint" Change'en socket might give a small price drop to the FX, since it cannot work in servers/workstations any more. Properly depends on Prescott performance (but this is a guess).
    3. It is not recommended to use 4 DIMMS in a single Athlon64/FX processor system, it will reduce performance.
    4. The MSI K8T Master2 is NOT supporting dedicated RAM for both Processors in a dual setup. As the socket 940 designs describes. The 2.end Processor has to go through processor number 1, using Hyper Transport. Result, latency!!! And reduced performance. The MSI K8T Master2 not a great dual board. Maybe cheep but not great.
  • destaccado - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    #12 I said nothing negative about pioneer, and in terms of leadership do you mean sales? That pioneer may lead but I seem to recall plextor having the first 8x drive to market...that signifies leadership to me....and why would you bring up pioneer? They aren't using pioneer who makes really good burners, they're using MSI, now I'm not saying MSI is bad but you'd think for 3g's........
  • AMDjihad - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    in yomammas face intel. you suck suck suck. Iknew this is much better, over 30000 3dmarks its better than anyting intel will make in the next years from prescott to tjas. amd will be market leader soon
  • mizzouXC - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    I think these benchmarks are unfair to the Barton 3200+ setup. Every other system had Raid 0. While this won't make much difference in the brute force FPS competition, it does play into the everyday use (office) benchmarks. Other than that great comparison. I'd like to see these comparisons when we actually have a 64 bit O/S and 64 bit software....
  • Doop - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    err tfranzese you feel like a fool now? Perhaps YOU should read the reviews before spouting complete bollocks about Athlon FX dual capability.

  • tfranzese - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    Wesley, interesting. Is the second CPU showing in the system hardware section of XP's control panel? That should let you know if it's running as a dually or not.
  • Wesley Fink - Monday, December 1, 2003 - link

    Elite PC has provided an update on Dual Processor usage. <em>"The only AMD processors that can be run in DUAL mode are the 200 and 800 series Opteron processors. The motherboard in the Titan FX machine will run all 940 pin processors, however only the 200 and 800 series Opteron processors will run as Dual processors."</em> We have just tried to benchmark the Titan FX system with 2 FX51, and while the system worked, the boot screen only identified ONE CPU even though two were installed. Oddly, the few benchmarks we ran were higher than single CPU, but not at the levels we would expect with Dual Opteron chips. Elite PC recommends the 200 or 800 Opterons for Dual CPU operation.

    An update with this information has been added to the review.

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