Socket 939 Chipsets: Motherboard Performance & PCI/AGP Locks
by Wesley Fink on June 2, 2004 12:01 AM EST- Posted in
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After a very long wait, Socket 939 is here in full force as you read in our review of the Socket 939 processors. We gave you an in-depth dissection of the new FX53 and 3800+ for Socket 939, plus a head-to-head comparison of the performance of the 3 AMD sockets. The purpose of this review is to examine the motherboards and chipsets that are also being introduced for Socket 939. We also used the opportunity of being here at Computex to look more deeply into what we have found, which is a developing problem with the VIA K8T800 PCI/AGP lock feature.Almost since the introduction of Athlon 64 and Athlon 64 FX, AMD fans have been looking forward - forward toward the introduction of Socket 939. The original AMD enthusiast part, Athlon 64FX, was an excellent performer, but many complained that Socket 940 required expensive dual-channel registered memory instead of the unbuffered DDR that they already owned. Since FX shared Socket 940 with the server-geared Opteron, the price of admission to the AMD Enthusiast A64 was just too steep for most end-users. AMD had also introduced the more mainstream Athlon 64 in Socket 754 that could use cheaper unbuffered memory, but it was a single-channel solution and most wanted to be able to use the dual-channel memory solution that they associated with the top-performing Pentium 4 solutions.
Socket 939 would fix all this, the logic went, with a unified Socket 939 supporting Dual-Channel unbuffered memory as a platform for a full-range of new Athlon 64 processors from entry-level to enthusiast. Basically, this was another argument for the ability to buy a cheaper Athlon 64 for Socket 939 and to have an upgrade path for more capable Athlon 64 processors in the future. This always sounds good, even if the reality is that most enthusiasts upgrade the motherboard more frequently than the CPU. Whichever is upgraded, the idea of a universal CPU socket for Athlon 64 had great appeal, along with the supposed giant performance boost that Dual-Channel memory would bring to Athlon 64. This reasoning was based on the faulty assumption that the Athlon 64 would benefit from greater memory bandwidth in the same way Pentium 4 had, forgetting that Athlon 64 was not a similar "deep-pipes" design that was starved for memory bandwidth.
Even the chipset makers have added to the perception that Socket 939 would be "the one" from AMD. Both major Athlon 64 chipset makers introduced updated versions of their chipsets in the last two months to be ready for the 939 push. Both chipsets featured 1000 HyperTransport. nVidia did a massive upgrade of the feature set and fixed problems with their first generation PCI/AGP lock. VIA added their first PCI/AGP lock for asynchronous operation in response to the vocal complaints from the Enthusiast market. We have already examined these new chipsets in detail in our launch reviews for each chipset, but now that 939 is finally here, we are finally seeing enough boards with the new VIA K8T800 PRO and nForce3-250 Ultra to take a closer look at how some of these new features work - or rather, don't work in some cases.
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Filibuster - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
Via will support Athlon 64 with PCI-Express with the K8T890 chipset.Nvidia chipset plans are less clear. The only thing I've seen is a Inq. article saying Q4'04. :(
Hopefully it is sooner.
WileCoyote - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
After all the buildup in the first few pages of this article I was kind of disappointed by the very close benchmarks. All the chipsets perform within a couple percentage points of each other.ripdude - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
<quote>2 - Posted on Jun 2, 2004 at 1:55 AM by Brian23
What's the deal with the orange PCI connector?
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the orange PCI connector is, AFAIK, excepted from the PCI bus bandwidth and is directly connected to the chipset.
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3 - Posted on Jun 2, 2004 at 3:07 AM by adntaylor
Nice review but... still no tests of the AGP optimisations for the GeForce FX and 6 series cards on the nForce chipset.
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I, too, read about NVidia gfx cards getting a boost on NVidia chipsets, a 6 serie card on nforce-250gb could yield quite some surprises.
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6 - Posted on Jun 2, 2004 at 3:53 AM by Eidolon
Are PCI-Express mobos using either chipset planned? Any news on when that may be?
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I'm waiting for a good 939 board with PCI-E slots too. With ATI and NVidia announcing PCI-E cards they should be too far behind.
XRaider - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
No doubt # 6. Motherbord manufacturers seem to be dragging their feet on this... unless they are waiting for Nvidia and Ati..? I REALLY like the 939 FX53.. but I'm holding out until the PCI express standard gets implemented on the new motherboards, cause I'm not planning on upgrading for awhile after this new system build. :\Eidolon - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
Are PCI-Express mobos using either chipset planned? Any news on when that may be?Eidolon - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
tfranzese - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
From what I remember the orange PCI slot is specifically for communications.adntaylor - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
Nice review but... still no tests of the AGP optimisations for the GeForce FX and 6 series cards on the nForce chipset.Please can somebody just chuck a card in and see if the GeForce 6800 is boosted by the nForce3 chipset!
http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q2/nforce3-gefor... - this was the Tech Report's test of the FX 5950, and it delivered some surprising performance boosts. I'm desperate to see if the 6800 reacts similarly!
I'm interested to know what that orange PCI slot is for too.
Brian23 - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
What's the deal with the orange PCI connector?nycxandy - Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - link
With the 939 CPU's already shipping, when will the 939 motherboards show up in stores?