Pioneer DVR-108D - Crowning a new Champion
by Kristopher Kubicki on August 31, 2004 12:02 AM EST- Posted in
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Burn Tests DVD-R Media
CMC MAG AF1
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Not the fastest burn in the world for either drive.
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Again, very low errors on the disc burned with the Pioneer drive. So far, we are impressed with how our sample writes discs.
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We also used the low quality Platinum media to test the drives' - R write capabilities. These are the lowest quality discs that we could find, and if they burn/read fine in our drives, then any media should.
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These are definitely not pretty burns.
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The Plextor PX-712A nearly chokes on the disc that we just made in the Pioneer drive.
Magically, it seems as though the PX-712A has no difficulty reading the disc at all! There are no readbacks from the Plextor-burned disc since the drive burned a coaster every time we tried.
Ritek G05
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There is a clear difference between the two drives here. The Plextor does not attempt to recalibrate and simply burns the disc at 8X. Pioneer's burner gets a little more ambitious and kicks things up to 12X for a large portion of the burn.
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This was a very impressive read and write sequence for the Pioneer drive.
MCC 02RG20
This is a Verbatim -R disc rated at 8x write speeds.
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Like its +R, the write process wasn't as smooth as butter, but it did complete on the Pioneer. The Plextor performed much better on this media.
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There was a noticeable increase in C1 errors after the 2GB mark as Plextools read this media, but still not enough to interfere with successfully reading the content.
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arswihart - Wednesday, September 1, 2004 - link
Anyone know where to get a retail dvr-108d?Tote Hose - Wednesday, September 1, 2004 - link
"Without a doubt, this is the best DVD Recorder that we have tested to date. We are looking forward to catching a glimpse of some of the BenQ and NEC solutions in the upcoming weeks, but until we can obtain samples, we have to claim the Pioneer DVR-108D as our recommendation for best DVD recorder."I realy cant understand your situation. In Germany we can buy for example the BenQ 1600 already since nearly 1 month (I have bought the BenQ 1610 yesterday). The Pioneer DVR-108D is available since 2 weeks now. Same thing with the 16x burners from Asus, LiteOn, NEC, Philips, Samsung, Sony, and Teac.
I realy like this site because of the competent and trustworthy tests - and so i'm realy disappointed about the DVD-Burner Section :/
So if youre looking for realy extensive and up-to-date DVD-Burner tests my hint is: www.cdrinfo.com
DarthRanger - Wednesday, September 1, 2004 - link
What about Plextor adding a D/L media DVD writer to their line up? I'm surprised they haven't brought one out by now.KristopherKubicki - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
arswihart:Did you do the mouseover image thing? We in fact did these tests multiple times, you are usually just seeing the best burns that came out. Pioneer's burner produced lower errors with faster burns. Those are the only two elements needed to really compare two burners with equal feature sets.
But then again, The Plextor unit costs $30 more, does not write dual layer discs and cannot read DVD-RAM. Considering the Pioneer can do anything the Plextor can, or better, for 25% less we would have to be foolish to call the Pioneer anything short of the best burner we have tested yet.
Kristopher
KristopherKubicki - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
Phiro: I think Abit tried a legacy-free motherboard a few years ago and it bombed terribly - it had no PS/2 or serial/parallel ports but was pretty much the same otherwise.The same goes with PCIe and AGP; even though Intel is forcefully doing their best to ditch the godawful technology, you have people like Gigabyte and MSI who go off and design an 915P motherboard that bridges AGP through the southbridge.
Can you name some other technologies that stick around with better, simplier technologies that have been available (for the same cost even!) to replace them for years?
DVI versus D-sub
USB versus PS/2 (at least argumentally)
USB versus LPT
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The list goes on!
Kristopher
PrinceGaz - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
A lot of people who might want to buy a new drive don't have SATA support on their mobo, but everyone has IDE.I too hope more optical drives become available in SATA as that would be my preferred next choice. If Windows XP SP2 doesn't include SATA drivers as a standard part of the installation, it damn well should.
I guess the ND-3500A will be a wonderful drive when it is reviewed, its the one I would go for given the trouble free operation I've had with my ND-2500A which hasn't burned a single bad disc (I verify everything). I couldn't care less about 8x or higher burn speeds, or DL so long as they mean more expensive discs and lower quality burns though.
Phiro - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
I should have phrased that last line differently.Until every little atapi device switches to a SATA connection inherently, regardless of performance gains, we're not going to see our old IDE headers on our motherboards going away.
Just like the floppy drive connector. Look how long serial & parallel ports stuck around, PS2 keyboards & mice are STILL being stuck with brand new systems - USB has had legacy support available to all bios makers for a long, long time.
arswihart - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
I really don't know how you are saying this is the best DVD burner by far, it seems the plextor comes out ahead just as many times as the pioneer, and I think they are probably of very similar quality, also, you don't repeat any of your tests, how do I know the plextor didn't just get a bad disk in the single test you run with it, or vice versa.Why exactly are you saying the pioneer is easily the best DVD burner you've tested? I'm not convinced at all that its the best, although it seems at least decent.
Phiro - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
I don't want SATA just for performance gains - I want it for the cabling and the simplicity, and I can't wait to ditch the stupid ide headers on our motherboards.Every little ATAPI/whatever device going to SATA would make this a reality, regardless if it gets a performance boost.
Fishie - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
SATA wouldn't yield any performance gain because the bottleneck is not the cable speed. It's the speed at wish the laser can read the disc that is the bottleneck.