SFF Roundup, Part I: Socket 478 and 754 Systems
by Jarred Walton on February 15, 2005 2:00 PM EST- Posted in
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ASUS T2-P Deluxe (cont'd)
Construction
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The main case is very durable and sharp edges were not a problem. Unfortunately, it is also rather heavy, as it uses a steel shell instead of aluminum, and the added size only increases the weight. The internal construction is also sturdy, with the power supply latching into the rear of the case in two locations as well as the front drive bays. Unfortunately, the position of the power supply does present a problem in that it blocks access to the CPU socket and makes the routing of cables somewhat problematic. The RAM and expansion slots can still be reached with the power supply installed, however.
While the main body feels very sturdy, the same cannot be said of the front panel. The plastic covers for all of the drives are very flimsy and do not inspire confidence, and only the optical bays have spring-loaded doors. The door of the floppy bay in particular could use some sort of spring mechanism to hold it open when it's not latched shut, as it tends to rest half-way between the open and close positions. If you don't plan on moving the unit around much, this won't be a problem, but breaking one of the plastic hinges seems like a real possibility. Basically, they feel cheap. Most of the other cases have metal covers for the front plates or even no covers at all. On the plus side, the plastic doors do make the front look uniform, so you could use a beige or black optical drive and not worry about it ruining the uniformity of the case.
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The heat sink for the ASUS is a large, all copper Thermaltake unit. The design is basically a standard HSF, only with the use of copper to improve heat dissipation. We're a bit concerned about the location of the CPU socket and HSF once the unit is assembled, as the PSU is right above the CPU fan. We would expect this to hinder the ability of the CPU fan to draw in air, but we didn't actually experience any instability, so we can't really come to any conclusion on the matter. With the larger size of the case, though, there ought to be a better way to lay out the internals. A side-mounted, rather than top-mounted, CPU fan might also be a good modification.
The expansion slot area has a slightly different take on things, and in this instance, it's slightly better than some of the alternatives. A steel clamp can slide up and allow you to install your cards, and then you push it back into place to secure the cards. No screw holds the piece down, but once the cover is on, the part won't slide out of place. We wouldn't expect that to happen anyway, however, as the sliding action is very stiff and you really have to apply force before it will move. The steel piece is also one of the few areas where there are noticeable sharp edges, particularly with the metal points that take the place of screws in securing the expansion cards. If the part would slide a bit more easily, we would have liked it more, but either way, it gets the job done more conveniently than other options.
Setup
Assembling the case was a relatively straightforward process. The power supply must first be removed before you can access the CPU socket, and while it's out of the way, you can install the remaining parts. With the pre-installed PCI card, fitting a moderately large graphics card into the slot can be rather difficult, and removing the graphics card is also problematic as the AGP latching mechanism gets buried underneath everything else.The floppy cable was already installed, but we had to install the IDE cable for the DVD drive, and we would prefer a solution similar to most other SFFs where that cable is already in place. Virtually every PC out there has an optical drive, so there is little point in not having it installed at the factory and preferably routed along the edges of the case so that it doesn't get in the way.
The hard drive cage is mounted to the front of the chassis and secured by a single screw. While this works well once installed, it took several minutes of effort to get the cage to slot back in place, as there are numerous cables that can get in the way and the space is rather cramped. Also, the position of the front HDD cage makes it impossible to add a second IDE drive on the same cable, so the second 5.25" bay would either need to share the DVD cable or else you could use SATA drives.
As a whole, the case is designed to be assembled with a screwdriver. It's a bit odd that the one case that doesn't require any screws for the expansion card slots uses them everywhere else. Many of the other cases include thumbscrews for key components like the cover and HDD cage, which can be useful if you want to open your case on a regular basis. For frequent upgraders, then, the case is not the best choice, as it isn't the easiest design to work with. If you only want to build a PC and then leave it alone for a couple of years, however, it will work well.
The software installation is pretty standard, and it includes areas for driver installation as well as software and utilities. The drivers include the Intel chipset drivers as well as drivers for the gigabit Ethernet. Somewhere along the way, we misplaced the driver CD, unfortunately, and when we had to set up the system again, we had problems finding all of the drivers. The ASUS web pages include many of the drivers, but the drivers for the devices on the 3-in-1 add-in card are not present. We were eventually able to determine the chipset used for the GbE and download the driver elsewhere from ASUS' site, but the website could definitely use some updated information.
Noise, Heat and Performance
Noise levels from the ASUS were pretty average for the cases in this roundup. It wasn't the quietest case, but it wasn't the noisiest case either. The temperature-controlled CPU and case fans work well, and in use, there was very little fluctuation in fan speed. When the system is first powered on, the fans spin up to a high RPM and make a lot of noise for a couple of seconds, but afterwards, the case runs relatively quiet. Usually, the noise level was around 47 dB, but under the stress test conditions, it became as loud as 53 dB. That's still better than most desktop cases that we've used. Once you remove the X800 Pro from the system, noise drops quite a bit and our sound meter could no longer give reliable readings. Obviously, if you don't need a high-end graphics card, an older, fanless card or the integrated graphics will help a lot in reducing noise levels.The performance of the T2-P Deluxe was generally in line with the other 865G systems. It was a bit slower in some tests, but then it also came in as the fastest system for our encoding benchmarks. It seems that ASUS has simply tuned their motherboard somewhat differently from the other 865G offerings. We're looking at a performance difference of less than 5%, so it's not a major concern.
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CrystalBay - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Hi, How about the dual Opteron Iwill, that keeps flashing on the right.skunklet - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
there is an ideq with an embedded c3 proc that i would love to see a review of.gerf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
I'd been looking at that Biostar SFF, as its specs are better than the equivalent Shuttle version, and is much cheaper. And now you drop a great review for it! I think that both I and my brother are going to use it for our new systems. Thank you for the kickarse review!JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
#6 - fixed, along with a few other things I noticed. If anyone sees anything else, feel free to drop me a line.#7/#8 - both of those are on the list of S939 systems we have coming for review. (We haven't received the PCIe one yet, but it should arrive sometime soon.) Unfortunately, most of the "high end" SFFs that we currently have are S775 for whatever reason. I think we have eight 775 units and only three 939 right now. I'd really like to see additional S754 units as well, since Sempron is moving in that direction.
I think one of the reasons that we're seeing more Intel SFFs is due to the chipset support. 865G is really almost the same price as 865PE, so the integrated graphics are "free". They're not good for gaming, but for most other tasks they work well. The only AMD platform chipsets with IGP are currently the outdated VIA K8M800 and the SiS stuff, although there are some newer offerings.
In case any of you aren't aware of this, we really can't afford to simply go out and purchase every item that we want to review. Since the reviews are basically "free" advertising (although if a unit has serious problems, it may not be good), the manufacturers have to send us the parts. In case any manufacturers are reading this, get in touch with us and we'll be happy to review any of your SFFs that you send our way! There are quite a few manufacturers that aren't currently represented.
Phantronius - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Im hoping the SN25P turns out to be reliable unlike the SN95G.That and the way the PCI-E cards are facing the opposite direction makes me wonder about heat with both slots taken up. Hrmm....
REMF - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
AT - don't even consider doing your high-end round up until you have the new nForce4 P-series Shuttle due to be released at the end of the month.i would also like to see the nForce3 G5-Series Shuttle compared against it, and other high-end SFF chassis'. :D
AtaStrumf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
WAU, that is one massive review! Good work guys.Just one typo to point out on page 8:
The iDEQ doesn't include any notable extras **included**, but it does have all of the high quality standard features that we like.
There was one more "it" that shoud have been "if", but I forgot where it was. Sorry :-)
I thought this article would include a MAC mini, but I guess that will be a separate article altogether.
If I may, I would suggest you only focus on SFF systems which stand out in a positive way and stay clear of the ones that don't. Just seems like a lot of pointless work.
MIDIman - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Been waiting for anand's SFF reviews. Looking forward to the A64-939 / Intel 775 review that I'm sure will be next.arswihart - Note that the SB61G2V3 is Shuttle's latest socket 478, Intel-based system. All of their newer products are socket 775 which will be in a later review. However, I think there are plenty on the AMD side that could've been covered instead that are socket 754...the SN85G4V3 ain't too shabby.
quidpro - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Absolutely no way that 7 bright blue leds in the Aopen (which only get brighter) should be considered acceptable or "minor" for an entertainment system, in my opinion. My shuttle has only two lights and I've had to cover them up with electrical tape with a small pinhole in order to cut down on the extremely distracting glare coming from it while watching a movie...the orange HD led flashes (as it should) which is even more distracting...arswihart - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
what the hell were they thinking when they chose to review this obsolete Shuttle system?