Q3'05 AMD Roadmap; DDR2 and New Sockets for AMD
by Kristopher Kubicki & Jarred Walton on July 21, 2005 1:47 PM EST- Posted in
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The Desktop
AMD Desktop Athlon 64 Roadmap | ||||
Processor | Core Name | Clock Speed | Socket | Launch Date |
Athlon FX-59 | San Diego | 3.0 GHz 1MB | Socket 939 | Q1'06 |
Athlon FX-57 | San Diego | 2.8 GHz 1MB | Socket 939 | Now |
Athlon 64 X2 >=5000+ | Windsor? | 2.6 GHz? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 X2 >=5000+ | Toledo? | 2.6 GHz? | Socket 939 | Q1'06 |
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ | Windsor | 2.4 GHz 1MB? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 4000+ | Orleans | 2.4 GHz 1MB? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 3800+ | Orleans | 2.4 GHz 512K? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 3500+ | Orleans | 2.2 GHz 512K? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Besides the single core M2 processors, we also have the dual core parts, codenamed Windsor. We have a 4800+ part for socket M2, as well as parts greater than or equal to 5000+ for both socket 939 and M2. As with the single core variants, we see two likely possibilities. The first is that the M2 parts will directly match the 939 parts in features, making the 4800+ a 2.4 GHz 1MB per core design. On the other hand, improvements in the performance of the platform through the use of DDR2 may allow AMD to use a 2.4 GHz 512K part for the 4800+. Part of the attractiveness of such a change is that the 2x512K parts would have a smaller die size, decreasing the manufacturing costs. Time will tell what AMD's precise plans are, and at present all we have are model names with which to speculate.
The last addition to the performance desktop market is a new FX model, the FX-59. While in the past we have speculated that AMD would switch the FX to a dual core design, the roadmap instead indicates that the FX-59 is intended to use a San Diego core running at 3.0 GHz. Other details in the roadmap show that AMD intends for the FX line to offer top single core performance. AMD market the FX line as being "ideal for 3D games and single-threaded applications." The X2 line on the other hand is "designed for sophisticated power users who run multiple processor intensive applications simultaneously," and is "ideal for digital content creation as well as for listening and viewing entertainment." It seems pretty clear from such statements that the FX line will remain single core for a while longer.
M2 isn't just a switch to DDR2 memory support, though. Besides DDR2, AMD indicates that the Orleans and Windsor processors will also have "Security and Virtualization" features. Previously codenamed Pacifica, the virtualization technology adds hardware support that allows a system to run multiple operating systems simultaneously. It was possible to do this in the past with such tools as VMware, but hardware support should dramatically improve performance. The security technology mentioned is likely to be very similar to Intel's LaGrande Technology and was code named Presidio. Whether or not you'll need a tin foil hat to operate your computer is yet undecided.
You'll notice that socket 754 is no longer even represented in the desktop arena. There are a couple parts that will work on socket 754 motherboards, but they are no longer marketed as mainstream or performance desktop processors. That brings us to the desktop Sempron processors.
AMD Desktop Sempron Roadmap | ||||
Processor | Core Name | Clock Speed | Socket | Launch Date |
Sempron 3700+ | Palermo Ex | 2.2 GHz 256K | Socket 939 | Q2'06 |
Sempron 3700+ | Palermo Ex | 2.2 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q2'06 |
Sempron 3600+ | Palermo Ex | 2.2 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q1'06 |
Sempron 3500+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 256K | Socket 939 | Q1'06 |
Sempron 3400+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3400+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 128K | Socket 939 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3300+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3200+ | Palermo D0/Ex | 1.8 GHz 256K | Socket 939 | Now? |
Sempron 3100+ | Palermo Ex | 1.8 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3000+ | Palermo D0/Ex | 1.8 GHz 128K | Socket 939 | Now? |
Sempron 3000+ | Palermo Ex | 1.8 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 2800+ | Palermo Ex | 1.6 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 2600+ | Palermo Ex | 1.6 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
There are quite a few upcoming parts in the value desktop computing sector. Launching very soon will be the Ex stepping of the Palermo core, which will add - or rather enable - 64-bit extensions on all the Sempron parts. All of the presently available Sempron parts are for socket 754 (and even a few older socket A models that are being phased out), but we also have Sempron parts targeting socket 939 that should be launching any time now. Information contained within the roadmap actually seems to indicate that 3000+ and 3200+ Sempron parts have already started shipping for socket 939, though we haven't seen any. It could be that they are going straight to OEMs, as the same parts show up as DTR (Desktop Replacement) notebook processors.
Looking forward to 2006, we still have a few more speed bumps to the Sempron line on both sockets with the 3500+, 3600+, and 3700+ parts. Somewhat interesting to note is that the Sempron 3700+ will apparently be a 2.2 GHz 256K cache part on both sockets - normally AMD has rated the equivalent clock speend and cache socket 939 parts slightly higher than socket 754 parts due to the dual-channel memory support of 939.
Besides the above value processors, we also have some information on the upcoming M2 value processor. Code named Manila, the processor won't support the virtualization and security features that other M2 processors have. That isn't too surprising, as frankly we expect virtualization technologies to be far more useful for the performance sector. However, it will support dual channel DDR2; typically we don't see dual channel support on value processors, so that's a welcome change.
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Resh - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
Not another socket! Geez!ViRGE - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
Jarred, on the front page, you have two statements that disagree with themselves:---
However, although the processors require a bump in the current, the power remains the same
Unfortunately, expect massive increases in TDP. From the roadmap we expect the FX M2 processors to have a max TDP of 125W...
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If the "power"(which I interpret as wattage requirement) remains the same, then why is the TDP rising? Do you mean the voltage is staying the same(which with the higher amperage would cause the power drain in wattage to rise)? We have always assumed that TDP was roughly the same as the amount of power the chip draws.
Oh, and AMD needs to come up with less names; my head's doing about 5K RPMs right now with all of this stuff. =P
Doormat - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link
Nothing about AMD integrating PCI-Express into their CPU? There was an article at TheInq about that...ElJefe - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link
Er, great!!??DDR2 when its been shown that fast timings and ddr1 at 250mhz vs 200 shows less than 3% difference! yeah! thats what we need???
I remember an anandtech article about a year ago that showed how less bandwidth in trade for severely low timings can actually boost some area's for performance.
m2 = take your money like a mofo'in gangsta
and more heat as a bonus!
im going to be happy when i get my 4400 x2 i think. bah. cant wait again for something that sounds, er worse? maybe it would be better with that virtual crap. whatever that is.
maybe it's like 3d now! when intel was doing great floating point calcs and amd was doing that on my k6-III getting no frames :(
JarredWalton - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link
6 - You might not even need the BIOS flash. I have no idea, though.5 - I'm a skeptic, I admit. AMD's official launch of 90nm SOI got pushed back quite a bit, IIRC. We're only *just now* hitting the point where AMD is 100% 90nm SOI. The ramp to a new process is almost always slow at first while the kinks get ironed out, and then there's a massive shift at the end. So with that mid-2006 to mid-2007 plot from Hector, I'd be inclined to say 75% of the shift will occur in 2Q'07. (/skeptic)
The main point is that there is no talk in this roadmap of what lies ahead. Could that change in the next month or two? Of course. Sometimes big changes are kept off the roadmaps until 4-6 months prior to the launch, just to keep OEMs and everyone else focused on the current products rather than getting ahead of themselves. Intel isn't talking much about Merom and Conroe either, for example.
NightCrawler - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link
Athlon 64 4000+ Newark 2.6 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05Hmmm...I wonder if a bios flash on older 754 boards will allow the use of the newark cpu.
dougSF30 - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link
A few things:--- "Massive TDP increases" really amount to 20% for the FX, 17% for single core A64s and 0% for DC parts. Significant, okay. Massive? No.
--- Turion & OEMs. 60 design wins and climbing.
--- Pentium M TDP 22W : Well, actually the higher FSB PMs have a 27W TDP. And that doesn't include a memory controller. However, DDR2 is an advantage over DDR. OTOH, no 64b, which per Intel's own admission would bump up the power requirements for them significantly.
--- AMD 65nm timing. Per AMD, production 65nm shipments in H106 (my guess is late Q2). Per Hector in June Technical Analyst Day Q&A, 65nm ramp is from mid-2006 to mid-2007 (100% 65nm). So I think your "late 2006, early 2007" estimate is too far in the future. Should be parts launching in early Q306, having been shipped in late Q206.
--- Socket M2. You fixed the 1207 vs. 940 pin issue.
JarredWalton - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link
3 - Heh, that's a topic for another day. :) But yeah, there are several new chipsets being worked on by all the major parties for the AMD DDR2 transition.SignalPST - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link
Is nForce5 arround the corner for these new socket changes?Plifzig - Thursday, July 21, 2005 - link