Shuttle XPC SN95G5 (cont'd)
Construction
The construction of the Shuttle cases has always been very good, and the SN95G5 is no exception. The case is composed of a steel and aluminum frame. The cover is aluminum with a brushed finish, as are the covers on the front of the case. The front panel is constructed of plastic for the most part, but the aluminum covers help to make it more attractive. As a whole, the case is very light while maintaining a feeling of durability. It wouldn't stand up to a lot of abuse, but then, few computer users really plan to beat on their equipment.Click on images to enlarge. |
The internal construction is again of high quality. There are no sharp edges that we noticed; although, if you were really determined, you can still find a few ways to scrape your fingers on various pieces of the motherboard. A folded IDE cable comes pre-installed in Shuttle's "integrated cable management system" and helps to keep things tidy. For the HDD, SATA and/or IDE cables need to be installed, but the HDD sits right above the ports and the cables don't require much in the way of routing.
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Shuttle uses their ICE (Integrated Cooling Engine) design for the CPU as well as the case. A 92mm fan blows over the fins on the end of the heatpipe. It works very well in our tests, with low noise levels and the ability to run the CPU even at overclocked speeds without much trouble.
The only complaints that we have are pretty minor. The cover of the case can stick a bit when you remove or install it, though we'd say the same of almost every SFF that we've tested. We also had more issues with the screws Shuttle uses. The thumbscrews are fine, but the screws for the HDD, DVD, expansion slots, and drive tray all seem to be very fragile, as we mentioned in our review of the SB61G2. Even when being careful, it is possible to strip a screw after a couple of uses. Whatever material that Shuttle is using, it just doesn't hold up well when you install and remove hardware frequently. Luckily, plenty of extra screws are included.
Setup
The SN95G5 is very easy to work with. We actually feel that the ICE heatpipe solution of the G5 is more convenient than the new design in the P chassis, although cooling requirements for a loaded system are different. With the drive tray removed, accessing the CPU socket is straightforward, and getting everything back together presents few difficulties. Installing CPUs in the P chassis is more difficult, and the expansion cards still required a screwdriver, so they're not any easier to work with. Really, the only benefit of the P chassis other than expansion is that the HDD and DVD are installed with clip-on rails instead of screws.After removing the drive cage and heatpipe, you install the RAM and CPU. The hard drive (or hard drives, if you install one in the external 3.5" bay) should be installed while the drive cage is removed. When installing the DVD, we found it easier to install the drive cage and then position the DVD so that the front buttons match up before fastening the screws. We should also mention that you will want to use a newer model optical drive, as they tend to be about an inch shorter in length. We did manage to fit an older 16X CD-RW into the case, so it is possible, but we definitely don't recommend it.
All told, it requires about 15 to 20 minutes to assemble the SN95G5, although taking longer just to be safe is never a bad idea. We would also like to mention that Shuttle is one of the best when it comes to installation instructions. All of the images are clearly taken with the exact system model that you're assembling. If you have even a moderate amount of skill with a toolset, following the Quick Installation Guide should present few, if any, problems. On the other hand, installing and configuring the software is a bit more complex.
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The BIOS configuration is similar to most motherboards, and we won't spend too much time on it. Depending on your RAM, you may or may not have to set the timings manually in order to get optimal performance. Even some high quality 2-2-2-5 RAM will default to 2.5-2-2-5 timings, and for socket 939 systems, our own memory guru Wesley has determined that a tRAS value of 7 or 8 is often fractionally faster. We ran our OCZ RAM at 2-2-2-7 timings in all of our tests with a 1T command rate where available. The SN95G5 has a "Normal" and "Performance" option for command rate, with "Performance" corresponding to a 1T rate. We had no difficulties using this setting. Overclocking options are also present in the BIOS, with a CPU bus speed of up to 280 MHz along with an assortment of voltage adjustments for the CPU, chipset, RAM, and AGP slot. Those interested in the remaining BIOS screens can find them in our SN95G5 image archive.
After setting up the BIOS and installing Windows XP, it's time to install the motherboard drivers. The Shuttle CD provides all of the necessary files accessible through an easy-to-use interface, though Aopen's EZinstall is still the best that we've encountered (read about it in our 478 roundup). Shuttle requires you to launch separate install utilities for the motherboard drivers and network drivers, with an option to install DirectX 9.0c as well. It's pretty simple, but a single-click installation like EZinstall is still better. We also had some issues with NVIDIA's IDE driver and our CD-RW drive, which could be avoided by not installing the software IDE driver. This isn't something that we've experienced much, and the problem was somehow related to the older drive that we were using at the time. The DVD-ROM drive that we used later didn't have any trouble with the IDE driver.
Noise, Heat and Performance
In our performance benchmarks, the SN95G5 still manages to hold its own against newer models like the SN25P. There are a few benchmarks (like HL2) where the PCI Express graphics interface seems to be slightly faster, but in most instances, the performance is close enough to call it a draw. The differences could also be caused by modified BIOS or RAM settings in the PowerColor X800Pro PCIe vs. the Sapphire X800Pro AGP - we don't have low level details for either card, so we can't say for sure.The temperature and noise benchmarks are often more important considerations for SFF users, and there are a few differences worth mentioning. Comparing the SN95G5 with the SN25P, the noise levels of the G5 are generally lower than the newcomer. The lower noise output of the G5 isn't too surprising, given the presence of five fans (plus the GPU fan) in the P chassis. Particularly under stress testing, the G5 was noticeably quieter than the SN25P - retesting the SN25P showed substantially higher stress test numbers than when we tested in the winter/spring.
Temperatures also favored the G5 in most areas, with one notable exception: the hard drive temperature. We don't foresee any problems running the G5 with a 7200 RPM drive, and even a 10,000 RPM Raptor should be okay. We would definitely recommend that you not use two hotter drives in the G5 chassis, however, as their proximity to each other and the lower air circulation is almost certain to cause a premature hard drive failure. Two Seagate 7200.x would be our choice if you want to max out the storage options. (We should note that we don't know if the 240W power supply could actually handle the load of two high-end drives in the first place.)
Overclocking performance of the SN95G5 was very good. We managed to reach a bus speed of 275 MHz with a 9X multiplier and 280 MHz with an 8X multiplier. Going for the maximum CPU speed - which generally yields the best performance on Athlon 64 systems - we scored similarly to the other systems, with 12x120 and 11x229 both reaching a speed of 2520 MHz (plus or minus). The only problem with overclocking is if you want a Venice core - those can usually hit 2.6+ GHz. The 280 MHz bus will be a limiting factor with the 3000+ in all likelihood, and of course, you would need the SN95G5v3 in the first place according to current reports. If you can get a v3 as well as a 3200+ Venice, the maximum 10x280 setting should be more than sufficient.
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JarredWalton - Friday, August 12, 2005 - link
I'll hit the KLOSS as soon as I can. (I have it already.) So unless someone else votes, I guess I'll get the KLOSS reviewed next.Sokolum - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
For the last 2 months now i have a ST20G5 using as a MCE system. There are a few problems what i have encounbtered, one of them is that the system behaviour changes when i change a setting within the BIOS. Those aren't dramatic changes. But with every change, it looks like that the graphics runs muchmore slower, you can see this with dragging a windows screen over your desktop, you get trails from that window...The system only runs smooth when i *don't* touch those setting. Happily the things keep running smoothly when i enlarge the shared video memory.
For the MCE side, i failed to make the Hauppauge 500MCE run compleetly as it should, i am only able to run TV 'Tunner 1' without problems when i *disable* TV 'Tunner 2' within windows Device Manager. Shuttle or Hauppauge couldn't help me with this case.
As the review documented, this is one of the cases that RAID is causing the problem in this story. In my MCE setup, i don't use RAID (there is *no* room for a seccond drive when you installed a floppy drive). Why RAID is the problem, what i have been told is that RAID wants to use al of the PCI bandwith. It seems the nature of RAID in this kind of systems, just een told, i am not for 100% sure, but it seems plausible to mee.
, a nice looking machine. I solved the problem for the flash cards with buying a floppy disk what come with a integrated card readed, see link:
http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productDetails.h...">http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productDetails.h...
mino - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
Jared I must confes, this is the _first_ time i see everclocking test done as it should have been. I really appreciate the comments for newbies (it makes easier to me to explain to them if you could reference somthing :). Also finally use of correct term oo A64 base freq./FSB issue. I think this way is it should be done for _all_ A64 motherboard review.1) do a maximum base freq. check (by keeping memfreq. around DDR400 + CPU not overclocked
2) do a max memclock test at 1T (with some proven components, just to check quality of CPU to MEM routing on the MB)
3) do some max. overclock test (actually this may be optional since it depend mostly CPU chosen)
Keep at this route and many readers may finaly undestand the basics of A64's OCing.
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
I'm working on some detailed overclocking articles right now. Glad you enjoyed the section, and I'll be going into a LOT more detail (with benchmarks) on some future OC articles.dropadrop - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
Thanks for the nice review,If you are considering a followup I would love to see you test usb. While the usb on my sn95g5 v2 works for casual things like a mouse, digital camera and memory card reader, it does not work for an ipod shuffle, external soundcard (hercules dj console), or external hardisk.
There have been alot of people with similar experiences. It wold be great if you could find a way to test the sff's with a few "demanding" usb devices, and even measure the voltage (and stability of it) supplied via usb.
I also second the request for you to test the sn95g5 with an X2. The new bios surely supports them, as people in north america have been getting their current rigs modded by shuttle for support. I would love to see how your's supports it (and maby even venice / san diego) without being modded. I believe you would have the chance to help alot of confused SN95G5 users by trying out a few cpu's in it.
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
I will definitely give it a shot. At present, my intention is to purchase an external IDE HDD enclosure with USB2.0 and 1394A support and do some file transfers and such between that and the system. The problem with that approach is that the enclosures all have an external power source. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive USB/Firewire HDD enclosure that gets the power over the USB port? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">I found this one, but I'm not really keen on spending $160 for something I don't personally need.dev0lution - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link
How come the SN25P details don't mention the update from nforce4 standard to nForce4 Ultra? I'm thinking of getting one so I went to the previous review and it lists chipset in the specs as the nForce 4 standard, but if you go to Shuttle's current product page for the SN25P it lists the chipset as the Nforce4 Ultra. Who's correct?JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
I think I may have just been lazy or neglectful in the original SN25P article. I'm pretty sure it was always nForce4 Ultra. Then again, regular nf4 vs. nF4U only adds SATA-II support IIRC. I don't see anything about SN25P supporting SATA-II which is sort of odd.Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link
I know it may be a "dated" or more "Entry Oriented" socket, but I have found that the socket 754 SFF systems are great for gaming and general use. Was there ever a roundup for them? If not, I'd like to see maybe a limited look at them to remind everyone that they are viable alternatives to, and about $75-$100+ cheaper than, these socket 939 options.I think it's important to point this out because of the note in the article that a SFF option incurs a premium....maybe so, but there are still cost effective options in that market. thanks.
Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link
Nevermind.....i found the roundup I was hoping for.....still, would be nice to make that reference to the older socket types as legitimate choices for SFF hopefuls on a budget. :-)