Shuttle XPC ST20G5
Overview
We've already covered the G5 chassis with our talk of the SN95G5, so there isn't a whole lot to say about the ST20G5. The basic idea is to take the same chassis and swap out the nForce 3 Ultra chipset and motherboard for a board that uses the ATI Xpress 200 chipset with a ULi 1573 South Bridge. Most areas remain the same, so we'll focus on the differences.Something that we would like to mention is that Shuttle now offers complete SFF systems through their online store as well as a variety of retail outlets. We've seen them at Best Buy, for example, although the local branch only carried an older Athlon XP model. Originally, the Shuttle XPCs were sold as a bare-bones system: case, motherboard, and power supply. Starting in 2004, Shuttle began offering complete systems. While you sacrifice some customization options, it does provide a ready-to-use alternative with a Shuttle warranty. Many of the upgrades end up costing quite a bit, but we see that for most companies that offer pre-configured systems. Those who do not want to build their own system can find more details at the Shuttle web site.
Aesthetics
Click on images to enlarge. |
In terms of appearance, the ST20G5 is the exact same as the SN95G5 with one exception. Instead of a black anodized aluminum finish, the case is silver brushed aluminum. We don't have particularly strong feelings one way or the other, as they are both attractive. If you prefer silver over black, the ST20G5 meets that need. In an ideal world, users would be able to get whatever color case they wanted with any of the various models, but the reality is that getting a non-standard color will usually cost extra.
Features
Shuttle XPC ST20G5
|
||
Dimensions | (w)200 mm x (h)185 mm x (d)310 mm | |
CPU Support | AMD Socket 939 up to FX-57 X2 support currently Beta |
|
Memory Support | PC1600/PC2100/PC2700/PC3200 up to 2GB; 2 DIMM slots | |
Motherboard | FT20 (proprietary) ATI Radeon Xpress 200 (Northbridge) ULi 1573 (Southbridge) 1X-5X (200-1000MHz) HyperTransport 8-bit/8-bit to 16-bit/16-bit HT Width |
|
Expansion Slots | 1 x PCIe X16; 1 x PCI | |
Power Supply | 240W Silent X Power Supply 2 x 4-pin Molex; 1 x 4-pin FDD; 3 x SATA 1 x 4-pin ATX12V; 1 x 20-pin ATX |
|
Internal Connections | 2 x SATA; 1 x IDE; 1 x FDD; 1 x LPT | |
Audio | Realtek ALC880 7.1 channel HD | |
LAN | 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps (Broadcom PCIe) | |
Drive Bays | 1 x 3.5 External (FDD/HDD) 1 x 3.5 Internal (HDD) 1 x 5.25 External (CD/DVD) |
|
Front I/O | 2 x USB 2.0 1 x IEEE1394 (4pin) MIC, Head-phone Power & Reset buttons Power on & HDD LED indicators |
|
Rear I/O |
1 x DVI, 1 x VGA 2 x USB 2.0 1 x IEEE1394 (6pin) PS/2 KB, PS/2 Mouse Serial port RJ-45 LAN Port (10/100/1000Mbps) S/PDIF In/Out Optical ports Line-in, Center/Sub, L/R Front, L/R Side, L/R Rear |
|
Overclocking | CPU 200-255; CPU Ratio 4X-Max; Northbridge 1.60V-1.70V Vcc 0.800-1.700V; DDR Auto, 2.70-2.90V |
|
Extras | ICE cooling | |
Full Image Set | Shuttle ST20G5 Pictures (6.0MB) | |
Manufacturer Link | Shuttle XPC ST20G5 |
The feature list of the ST20G5 is similar to the SN95G5, with the obvious exception of the integrated graphics and PCI Express. Firewire, USB, GbE, audio, and S/PDIF are all present and accounted for. Internally, the layout is different and some of the features come from a different source (i.e. the network chip), but the basics remain the same. There are two DIMM slots, a PCIe X16 and PCI slot, two SATA and IDE connections, and a floppy connection. As usual, the G5 case includes two 3.5" drive bays, one internal and one external, along with a single external 5.25" bay up top.
Click on images to enlarge. |
Let's talk a bit more about the differences, though. Where the nForce 3 Ultra powers the SN95G5 and provides a single chip solution, the ST20G5 uses a more traditional North Bridge/South Bridge arrangement. The ATI Xpress 200 is the NB and provides the PCI Express interface as well as a HyperTransport connection to the processor. For the SB, a ULi M1573 is used and it includes audio, USB, network, IDE/SATA, and PCI support. A PCI Express interface is used to connect to the NB, which helps to save on costs, since the NB already includes PCIe support. While the ULi chip includes a network controller, it is limited to 10/100 Mbit functionality and Shuttle has instead chosen to include a Broadcom GbE model. The Broadcom chip runs on the PCI Express bus (with an X1 interface), making it potentially faster than PCI GbE. We'll see how it compares later. The other major difference is that the ST20G5 uses PCI Express graphics like the SN25P, and here, we feel that the ST20G5 is the best configuration from Shuttle as it includes a PCIe X16 slot along with a standard PCI slot. In the future, X1 PCIe devices may become common, but right now, such slots go unused.
The integrated graphics are rather impressive, compared to competing solutions. Not only are they fully DirectX 9 compliant (with Shader Model 2.0 support), but they include a first for any integrated graphics that we've used: DVI output! Why does this matter? If you're interested in a SFF case for its looks, an LCD is a logical companion device. LCDs really aren't meant to be run with an analog VGA connection, as it results in poorer image quality. With the ATI Radeon Xpress 200 IGP, you get both the VGA connection as well as a DVI connection. DVI is also useful for connecting many HDTV displays to a computer. In our use, the TV was properly detected as a 1080i device. Unfortunately, it would only run at 1080i using the DVI connection. This is an ATI driver issue, as NVIDIA manages to support other resolutions (like 720p) through the DVI connection without any problem. We have heard from ATI that this will be addressed in an upcoming Catalyst release (5.7 may have already fixed this - we will check when we test the X2 chip).
Another interesting feature of the IGP is that it can be used concurrently with an add-in graphics card - although this only works with ATI models, as far as we're aware. ATI dubs this feature "Surround View" and it gives users the option of driving up to four separate display devices at the same time - two via the IGP and two via a supported add-in card. We're not sure how many people would actually purchase a SFF case with that intent, but the option is there should you need it. In the end, the Xpress 200 is the current leader in IGP solutions and offers much improved flexibility. Kudos goes to ATI for increasing IGP performance, and props to Shuttle for taking full advantage of the chipset.
The audio provided on the ST20G5 looks good on paper, and we're happy to see an HD solution (provided by the ULi chipset and a Realtek AL880 codec). This allows for 7.1 audio support, and though we think that 5.1 audio is more than sufficient, the additional audio ports do allow you to run 5.1 along with a microphone/line-in device. As with the SN95G5, all of the audio-out plugs are framed in the same green color, which can be a bit confusing. Green is usually used for the front speakers, with black/blue and orange/pink connections being typical for the center/sub and surround speakers. The colors are not exactly standardized, but the SN25P uses blue and orange for these connections. Shuttle should at least try to maintain a consistent color coding scheme with their designs, but it's not a big deal unless you plan to move your PC around frequently.
Unfortunately, while all of these audio specs should add up to a good experience, the end result was less than stellar. The front audio jack had very noticeable static, making it all but unusable. We also noticed some slight noise on a couple of the rear jacks, although it was border-line inaudible in our headphones and we couldn't hear it when using some Logitech X530 speakers. If crystal clear audio is a requirement for you, you may want to put the PCI slot to use with an add-in sound card. The other alternative is to use the S/PDIF out connection, which (like DVI) eliminates signal deterioration that often occurs with analog signals.
There are a few other concerns with the ST20G5 design. One of the first problems that we encountered was with our PowerColor X800Pro graphics card. It requires a separate 6-pin PCIe power adapter, and Shuttle neglected to include such a cable in the packaging. (So did PowerColor.) We had two spare 4-pin molex plugs available and were able to use an adapter, but this is an oversight on Shuttle's part. We're also uncertain as to whether or not the included PSU would be able to run with some of the higher end graphics cards, but as most of those are two-slot solutions, they will not fit inside the case either way. The power draw for the system at present was measured at 235W peak - basically, the rated maximum of the 240W PSU. We usually like a little breathing room, but we must say that we didn't experience any difficulties with the configuration at stock settings. 7800GTX support is going to be questionable, and that's something that we'll look into over the next couple of weeks. We would like to see the ST20G5 with an updated power supply that addresses the above concerns: a built-in PCIe power connection, and more power for running higher end cards. We have heard that they are planning to do just that for future SFFs, though whether a new PSU will ever make it into the ST20G5 is impossible to say right now.
Another complaint that we have is with the PCIe X16 retention mechanism. We've seen a variety of methods for securing the rear portion of the graphics card into the slot, and in our opinion, the Shuttle design is by far the worst. We mentioned this earlier in our return to the SN25P, and the ST20G5 uses the same plastic slot. Inserting a card is simple enough, but removing a card requires a lot more effort. Maybe if you have slender fingers, you could reach the rear of the slot and pry the plastic prongs apart, but it's really inconvenient. The Aopen sliding mechanism is the best that we've seen, as it can be easily accessed from either side. If you never have to remove your graphics card from the Shuttle slot, count yourself lucky. It's not the end of the world, but we're just surprised that they would depart from convention and choose something that is so clearly inferior to other solutions.
The comments about the lack of a flash reader and the limited expansion options that we discussed with the SN95G5 still apply here. If you really need a case with more expansion options, you'll have to look to one of the other SFFs in this roundup, or else stick with the standard ATX/uATX designs. That's a typical compromise that has to be made when choosing a SFF case, and many are happy to make the switch for the reduced noise levels and more attractive designs.
29 Comments
View All Comments
JarredWalton - Friday, August 12, 2005 - link
I'll hit the KLOSS as soon as I can. (I have it already.) So unless someone else votes, I guess I'll get the KLOSS reviewed next.Sokolum - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
For the last 2 months now i have a ST20G5 using as a MCE system. There are a few problems what i have encounbtered, one of them is that the system behaviour changes when i change a setting within the BIOS. Those aren't dramatic changes. But with every change, it looks like that the graphics runs muchmore slower, you can see this with dragging a windows screen over your desktop, you get trails from that window...The system only runs smooth when i *don't* touch those setting. Happily the things keep running smoothly when i enlarge the shared video memory.
For the MCE side, i failed to make the Hauppauge 500MCE run compleetly as it should, i am only able to run TV 'Tunner 1' without problems when i *disable* TV 'Tunner 2' within windows Device Manager. Shuttle or Hauppauge couldn't help me with this case.
As the review documented, this is one of the cases that RAID is causing the problem in this story. In my MCE setup, i don't use RAID (there is *no* room for a seccond drive when you installed a floppy drive). Why RAID is the problem, what i have been told is that RAID wants to use al of the PCI bandwith. It seems the nature of RAID in this kind of systems, just een told, i am not for 100% sure, but it seems plausible to mee.
, a nice looking machine. I solved the problem for the flash cards with buying a floppy disk what come with a integrated card readed, see link:
http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productDetails.h...">http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productDetails.h...
mino - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
Jared I must confes, this is the _first_ time i see everclocking test done as it should have been. I really appreciate the comments for newbies (it makes easier to me to explain to them if you could reference somthing :). Also finally use of correct term oo A64 base freq./FSB issue. I think this way is it should be done for _all_ A64 motherboard review.1) do a maximum base freq. check (by keeping memfreq. around DDR400 + CPU not overclocked
2) do a max memclock test at 1T (with some proven components, just to check quality of CPU to MEM routing on the MB)
3) do some max. overclock test (actually this may be optional since it depend mostly CPU chosen)
Keep at this route and many readers may finaly undestand the basics of A64's OCing.
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
I'm working on some detailed overclocking articles right now. Glad you enjoyed the section, and I'll be going into a LOT more detail (with benchmarks) on some future OC articles.dropadrop - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
Thanks for the nice review,If you are considering a followup I would love to see you test usb. While the usb on my sn95g5 v2 works for casual things like a mouse, digital camera and memory card reader, it does not work for an ipod shuffle, external soundcard (hercules dj console), or external hardisk.
There have been alot of people with similar experiences. It wold be great if you could find a way to test the sff's with a few "demanding" usb devices, and even measure the voltage (and stability of it) supplied via usb.
I also second the request for you to test the sn95g5 with an X2. The new bios surely supports them, as people in north america have been getting their current rigs modded by shuttle for support. I would love to see how your's supports it (and maby even venice / san diego) without being modded. I believe you would have the chance to help alot of confused SN95G5 users by trying out a few cpu's in it.
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
I will definitely give it a shot. At present, my intention is to purchase an external IDE HDD enclosure with USB2.0 and 1394A support and do some file transfers and such between that and the system. The problem with that approach is that the enclosures all have an external power source. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive USB/Firewire HDD enclosure that gets the power over the USB port? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">I found this one, but I'm not really keen on spending $160 for something I don't personally need.dev0lution - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link
How come the SN25P details don't mention the update from nforce4 standard to nForce4 Ultra? I'm thinking of getting one so I went to the previous review and it lists chipset in the specs as the nForce 4 standard, but if you go to Shuttle's current product page for the SN25P it lists the chipset as the Nforce4 Ultra. Who's correct?JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link
I think I may have just been lazy or neglectful in the original SN25P article. I'm pretty sure it was always nForce4 Ultra. Then again, regular nf4 vs. nF4U only adds SATA-II support IIRC. I don't see anything about SN25P supporting SATA-II which is sort of odd.Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link
I know it may be a "dated" or more "Entry Oriented" socket, but I have found that the socket 754 SFF systems are great for gaming and general use. Was there ever a roundup for them? If not, I'd like to see maybe a limited look at them to remind everyone that they are viable alternatives to, and about $75-$100+ cheaper than, these socket 939 options.I think it's important to point this out because of the note in the article that a SFF option incurs a premium....maybe so, but there are still cost effective options in that market. thanks.
Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link
Nevermind.....i found the roundup I was hoping for.....still, would be nice to make that reference to the older socket types as legitimate choices for SFF hopefuls on a budget. :-)