Mid-Range Buyer's Guide, September 2005
by Jarred Walton on September 19, 2005 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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System Summaries
That takes care of the recommendations for four different systems. We've included AMD and Intel variants for both platforms, though we have to say that we prefer two of the choices over the others. The Intel Gaming solution is really not the best fit for that market, while the Pentium D with 2GB of RAM really provides a lot of value for the Office and Professional market. (Yes, the AMD X2 is also very good in that market, though it does cost more.)
Gaming Systems
$1500+ for a "gaming system" seems like an awful lot of money, doesn't it? The $400 price of the upcoming Xbox 360 looks like a bargain by comparison! However, consider this for a moment: you don't need a display for the Xbox 360, as you use your TV - or alternatively, add the cost of a TV to the console. Furthermore, you can't do most business work on a console. Email, word processing, spreadsheets, surfing the Internet - some of those might be possible to a limited degree, but consoles certainly won't match the overall utility of a personal computer. If you're like many people, you already need a computer in your home. For gaming, you're pretty much just adding a $400 graphics card (and even a $200 graphics card would suffice).
If you can use your current monitor, speakers, keyboard, and mouse, and if you go with the EVGA bundle, you could get the price of a fully capable gaming system down to just over $1000, shipped. You could also go the other direction and buy 2x1GB of RAM, a faster CPU, a big LCD, and more HDD capacity (or multiple drives), resulting in a truly High-End system costing over $2000. Neither option is "correct", so spend what you want to spend and use this Buyer's Guide as exactly that: a guide on what you might want to purchase.
If you want other options on how to balance the Gaming performance against cost, drop the SLI support and get the Office motherboard selection, and drop to an Antec Sonata-II instead of the separate case and PSU. You save $114 on the either configuration. You can go with a cheaper graphics card as well - $230 for the X800XL, and you're right at the $1250 price point. Personally, though, we'd rather spend the extra money for the 7800GT.
Office Systems
Our Office configurations are a little less painful on the old pocketbook, ringing up at just over $1300. As with the Gaming setups, reusing your current display, speakers, etc. could reduce the cost quite a bit, getting under the $1000 price point. For the AMD setup, you might consider upgrading to 2x1GB of RAM, since multitasking that can take advantage of two cores is also more likely to surpass the 1GB RAM usage mark. The Intel system comes with 2GB of RAM, but the processor is definitely slower than the X2 3800+. It might be worth considering a CPU upgrade for the Intel system, but we're not really sold on the bang for the buck that it offers.
Some of you are probably wondering how the dual core CPUs perform in gaming systems. Many games work fine, though some have issues with two cores being present. (There aren't any current games that can actually utilize both cores, unfortunately.) Anand has mentioned recently that he's looking into gaming compatibility. We do have a modified version of the setaffin.exe Freeware program that might prove useful - unlike setaffin.exe and runfirst.exe, you can set the application to run on any CPU core instead of just CPU 0. If you'd like, give it a try - it's unsupported software, and we take no responsibility for what it might do to your system, of course. It's also available under the GPL license free of charge. (Thanks to Russell Pickett for providing the basis of the tool; simple, yet effective! We've avoided providing a direct link to his web page to avoid overloading his home server.)
Conclusion
We hope that you've found this Buyer's Guide to be useful, and we'll be releasing additional Guides more frequently in the future. Your comments, suggestions, and criticisms are welcome. As we've tried to make clear, there is no perfect system that we can recommend for every person. If you're willing to spend $1250 or so, however, there are plenty of decisions that can be made to tune the system to your needs.
We did not include an OS in the total cost of any system, so that would add $90 to $135 (when purchased with hardware) to the price for Windows XP. We should also mention that there has been some confusion about XP Home and dual-core support. XP SP2 will indeed support both cores; it is licensed as a single socket product, so it supports HyperThreading as well as the Pentium D and X2 processors. Even though it will work, we prefer the added flexibility of XP Professional and feel that it is worth the extra $45.
You could also ditch Microsoft altogether and go with Linux or some other Unix derivative - probably not for gaming, but OpenOffice with Linux actually makes for a rather potent office system. We wouldn't give such a setup to your grandparents, but more knowledgeable computer users shouldn't have too much trouble figuring out how to get such a system working properly.
That takes care of the recommendations for four different systems. We've included AMD and Intel variants for both platforms, though we have to say that we prefer two of the choices over the others. The Intel Gaming solution is really not the best fit for that market, while the Pentium D with 2GB of RAM really provides a lot of value for the Office and Professional market. (Yes, the AMD X2 is also very good in that market, though it does cost more.)
Gaming Systems
AMD Mid-Range Gaming System | ||
Hardware | Component | Price |
Processor | Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 512K 1.80GHz (939) - Retail | 146 |
Motherboard | DFI LanParty UT SLI-DR | 165 |
Memory | Patriot PC-3200 2x512MB Extreme Performance XBL | 150 |
Video Card | XFX 7800 GT Overclocked | 379 |
Hard Drive | Western Digital SATA II 160GB 7200RPM 8MB Caviar SE | 81 |
Optical Drive | BenQ DW1640 Black (OEM) | 43 |
Case | Cooler Master Cavalier 3 CAV-T03-UK | 76 |
Power Supply | SunBeam 550W NUUO SUNNU550-US-BK Modular PSU | 86 |
Display | Acer AL1914smd-8 19 inch 8ms LCD | 301 |
Speakers | Labtec ARENA 685 5.1 Speakers | 48 |
Keyboard and Mouse | Logitech Internet Pro Desktop | 23 |
Bottom Line | 1498 |
Intel Mid-Range Gaming System | ||
Hardware | Component | Price |
Processor | Pentium 630 2MB 3.0GHz (775) - Retail | 175 |
Motherboard | ASUS P5ND2-SLI Deluxe | 199 |
Memory | Corsair PC-5300 2x512MB XMS2 C4 | 137 |
Video Card | XFX 7800 GT Overclocked | 379 |
Hard Drive | Western Digital SATA II 160GB 7200RPM 8MB Caviar SE | 81 |
Optical Drive | BenQ DW1640 Black (OEM) | 43 |
Case | Cooler Master Cavalier 3 CAV-T03-UK | 76 |
Power Supply | SunBeam 550W NUUO SUNNU550-US-BK Modular PSU | 86 |
Display | Acer AL1914smd-8 19 inch 8ms LCD | 301 |
Speakers | Labtec ARENA 685 5.1 Speakers | 48 |
Keyboard and Mouse | Logitech Internet Pro Desktop | 23 |
Bottom Line | 1548 |
$1500+ for a "gaming system" seems like an awful lot of money, doesn't it? The $400 price of the upcoming Xbox 360 looks like a bargain by comparison! However, consider this for a moment: you don't need a display for the Xbox 360, as you use your TV - or alternatively, add the cost of a TV to the console. Furthermore, you can't do most business work on a console. Email, word processing, spreadsheets, surfing the Internet - some of those might be possible to a limited degree, but consoles certainly won't match the overall utility of a personal computer. If you're like many people, you already need a computer in your home. For gaming, you're pretty much just adding a $400 graphics card (and even a $200 graphics card would suffice).
If you can use your current monitor, speakers, keyboard, and mouse, and if you go with the EVGA bundle, you could get the price of a fully capable gaming system down to just over $1000, shipped. You could also go the other direction and buy 2x1GB of RAM, a faster CPU, a big LCD, and more HDD capacity (or multiple drives), resulting in a truly High-End system costing over $2000. Neither option is "correct", so spend what you want to spend and use this Buyer's Guide as exactly that: a guide on what you might want to purchase.
If you want other options on how to balance the Gaming performance against cost, drop the SLI support and get the Office motherboard selection, and drop to an Antec Sonata-II instead of the separate case and PSU. You save $114 on the either configuration. You can go with a cheaper graphics card as well - $230 for the X800XL, and you're right at the $1250 price point. Personally, though, we'd rather spend the extra money for the 7800GT.
Office Systems
AMD Mid-Range System | ||
Hardware | Component | Price |
Processor | Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2x512K 2.0GHz (939) - Retail | 361 |
Motherboard | EPoX EP-9NPA+Ultra | 98 |
Memory | Corsair PC-3200 2x512MB Value CL2.5 | 89 |
Video Card | Connect3D Radeon X700 Pro 128MB | 98 |
Hard Drive | Hitachi SATA 250GB 7200RPM 8MB Deskstar T7K250 NCQ | 120 |
Optical Drive | NEC 3540A Black (OEM) | 42 |
Case and Power Supply | Antec Sonata II + SmartPower 2.0 450W PSU | 115 |
Display | Acer AL1914smd-8 19 inch 8ms LCD | 301 |
Speakers | Logitech Z-3e 2.1 Speakers | 73 |
Keyboard and Mouse | Logitech Internet Pro Desktop | 23 |
Bottom Line | 1320 |
Intel Mid-Range System | ||
Hardware | Component | Price |
Processor | Pentium D 820 2x1MB 2.8GHz (775) - Retail | 248 |
Motherboard | ASUS 945P P5LD2 | 132 |
Memory | Corsair PC-4200 2x1024MB Value | 163 |
Video Card | Connect3D Radeon X700 Pro 128MB | 98 |
Hard Drive | Hitachi SATA 250GB 7200RPM 8MB Deskstar T7K250 NCQ | 120 |
Optical Drive | NEC 3540A Black (OEM) | 42 |
Case and Power Supply | Antec Sonata II + SmartPower 2.0 450W PSU | 115 |
Display | Acer AL1914smd-8 19 inch 8ms LCD | 301 |
Speakers | Logitech Z-3e 2.1 Speakers | 73 |
Keyboard and Mouse | Logitech Internet Pro Desktop | 23 |
Bottom Line | 1315 |
Our Office configurations are a little less painful on the old pocketbook, ringing up at just over $1300. As with the Gaming setups, reusing your current display, speakers, etc. could reduce the cost quite a bit, getting under the $1000 price point. For the AMD setup, you might consider upgrading to 2x1GB of RAM, since multitasking that can take advantage of two cores is also more likely to surpass the 1GB RAM usage mark. The Intel system comes with 2GB of RAM, but the processor is definitely slower than the X2 3800+. It might be worth considering a CPU upgrade for the Intel system, but we're not really sold on the bang for the buck that it offers.
Some of you are probably wondering how the dual core CPUs perform in gaming systems. Many games work fine, though some have issues with two cores being present. (There aren't any current games that can actually utilize both cores, unfortunately.) Anand has mentioned recently that he's looking into gaming compatibility. We do have a modified version of the setaffin.exe Freeware program that might prove useful - unlike setaffin.exe and runfirst.exe, you can set the application to run on any CPU core instead of just CPU 0. If you'd like, give it a try - it's unsupported software, and we take no responsibility for what it might do to your system, of course. It's also available under the GPL license free of charge. (Thanks to Russell Pickett for providing the basis of the tool; simple, yet effective! We've avoided providing a direct link to his web page to avoid overloading his home server.)
Conclusion
We hope that you've found this Buyer's Guide to be useful, and we'll be releasing additional Guides more frequently in the future. Your comments, suggestions, and criticisms are welcome. As we've tried to make clear, there is no perfect system that we can recommend for every person. If you're willing to spend $1250 or so, however, there are plenty of decisions that can be made to tune the system to your needs.
We did not include an OS in the total cost of any system, so that would add $90 to $135 (when purchased with hardware) to the price for Windows XP. We should also mention that there has been some confusion about XP Home and dual-core support. XP SP2 will indeed support both cores; it is licensed as a single socket product, so it supports HyperThreading as well as the Pentium D and X2 processors. Even though it will work, we prefer the added flexibility of XP Professional and feel that it is worth the extra $45.
You could also ditch Microsoft altogether and go with Linux or some other Unix derivative - probably not for gaming, but OpenOffice with Linux actually makes for a rather potent office system. We wouldn't give such a setup to your grandparents, but more knowledgeable computer users shouldn't have too much trouble figuring out how to get such a system working properly.
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flatblastard - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - link
This was my only beef with the guide as well. Seems like at stock speeds you would have a mostly "entry-level" performer thats trying to be on the "high-end" with other components. I suppose at higher resolutions the 7800GT would come in handy, but again, we are talking about "mid-range" where the screen would be between 17-19 inches.JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - link
Hence, the disclaimer on the bottom of page 4. I'll be publishing an article looking more into the how-to of overclocking, and rest assured I will be spending a decent amount of effort advising people to not assume too much. Still, all overclockers have to start somewhere.I personally have yet to see a Venice 3000+ that can't run 2.4 GHz - provided the user knows what they're doing and has an appropriate motherboard. Mine runs 2.7 GHz and almost 2.8 GHz (i.e. 2.8 crashes in several tests). However, overclocking is part art and part science. You have to put a lot of effort into getting the best results, and a lot of people just want it to be easy. Oh, well.
danmitchell - Monday, September 19, 2005 - link
Can you please elaborate on this? My 19" CRT is failing and I was thinking of replacing it with a 1905FP.huges84 - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - link
I too am interested in that statement. It was important enough to you to put into bold, but I don't see much of an explaination for it.JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - link
Basically, spending more money on a bigger, better display isn't a bad idea if you can afford it. A 19" LCD is what I would call the bare minimum for a Mid-Range system. A 20 or 21" with native 1600x1200 resolution would be better, in my opinion - perhaps not for gaming, but certainly for office work. If you're happy with a 19" LCD, then go ahead and purchase one; I was merely pointing out that people ought to at least consider the larger options for a moment. :)BladeVenom - Monday, September 19, 2005 - link
With Battlefield 2 and for future games they should really be recommending 2 GB of RAM for a gaming machine.JarredWalton - Monday, September 19, 2005 - link
Read the memory page. More RAM is suggested, particularly for BF2 and FEAR. It isn't in the final table because that would add another $100 to the price.SimonNZ - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - link
I have a rig similar to that with a few higher end components and my 1gb DRR500 does me easily in FEAR and BF2, all setting maxed, full AA/ AF etc so more ram and need, the mobo would be running it in dual channel 2:)deathwalker - Monday, September 19, 2005 - link
It's a truely great list of hardware..no argument with that. But I just don't see a DFI SLI mobo at $165 and a 7800 GT graphics card at $380 being "Mid-Range" equipment. Hell..all you have to do is update the Processor recommendation and it vaults right into High end equipment.deathwalker - Monday, September 19, 2005 - link
I guess what it comes down to ..is that I don't think $1500 is an appropriate mid-range budget.