What about Clock Speeds?

Whereas the Pentium 4's extremely deep pipeline made clock-for-clock comparisons to the Athlon 64 virtually meaningless, the Pentium M and Yonah processors feature far shorter pipelines akin to AMD's architecture.

The Athlon 64 features a 12-stage integer pipeline, and while Intel has never specifically disclosed the length of Yonah's pipeline, they have made two important statements: it is longer than the Pentium III's 10-stage integer pipeline, and shorter than Conroe/Merom's 14-stage pipeline.  Given the relatively tight range, Yonah's pipeline can pretty much be considered to be very similar to AMD's Athlon 64, give or take a stage of the pipeline. 

The net result is that we can draw some valid conclusions based on comparisons of Yonah to the Athlon 64 X2 at similar clock speeds.

But our Yonah sample ran at 2.0GHz, which ends up being the speed of the slowest Athlon 64 X2 that is currently available: the 3800+.  The highest end Athlon 64 X2s currently run at 2.4GHz, with high speeds just around the corner.  So the question isn't just how competitive Yonah is at 2.0GHz, but rather, how high can Yonah go?  Unfortunately, our test platform wouldn't allow us to overclock our chip very far, but thankfully, we have access to a decent amount of Intel's future roadmaps, so we can at least see what's going to happen to Yonah over the next year. 

While Yonah will make its debut at a maximum speed of 2.16GHz, it will actually only receive a single speed bump before Merom's release at the end of the year.  That means that we'll see a 2.33GHz Yonah after the middle of the year, but we'll have to turn to Merom to get any higher clock speeds. 

Looking back to our initial articles on the Pentium M's architecture, you'll remember that one of the important aspects of its design is that all critical paths in the chip were slowed down to meet a maximum clock target.  This means that Intel set a clock target for the CPU and made sure that the chip ran at that speed or below, and did not optimize any paths that would have allowed the CPU to run higher.  Instead, the Pentium M team depended on the manufacturing folks to give them additional clock speed headroom by providing smaller manufacturing processes every 2 years.  In other words, the Pentium M was never designed for high clock speeds, which is why it debuted at 1.5GHz and still has not even reached 2.33GHz today. 

Intel's next-generation microarchitecture hopes to change that approach ever so slightly by introducing a longer pipeline into the equation, but on a much more conservative basis than the Pentium 4 did just 5 years ago.  Conroe (desktop), Merom (mobile) and Woodcrest (server) will feature a 14-stage integer pipeline, which will allow for higher clock speeds than what Yonah could pull through.  We would expect a debut at a minimum of 2.4GHz and probably at least one speed grade higher.  Learning from their mistakes with the Pentium 4, Intel will balance the reduction in efficiency of a deeper pipeline with a wider 4-issue core (vs. the current 3-issue core used in Yonah).

So it looks like Intel's plan for 65nm is to rely on their deeper pipelined processors (Conroe/Merom/Woodcrest) for higher clock speed, with Yonah falling below the 2.5GHz mark.  And based on what we've seen in the first article, a 2.33GHz Yonah would be competitive with an Athlon 64 X2 4600+, but definitely not outpacing it.  This does bode well for Intel's next-generation processors, especially on the desktop with Conroe. 

If the move to a 4-issue core is able to balance out the negative impact of a deeper pipeline (which admittedly it may or may not do in all cases), a higher clock speed desktop part should be very good competition for AMD's offerings.  Although based on what we've seen thus far, we would be surprised if Conroe vs. Athlon 64 was a blow-out in favor of either manufacturer; more and more, it is looking like Conroe will simply bring Intel up to par with AMD, ahead in some areas, behind in others, and with the lower power advantage as long as AMD is still at 90nm. 


Why the X2 and why not Turion?

One of the other questions that we were asked a lot after the first article was why we insisted on comparing a mobile Yonah processor to a desktop Athlon 64 X2, and not an AMD Turion 64.  Our reasoning was obvious to some, but we felt it made sense to present it more clearly here:
  1. As much as Yonah is a mobile processor, it is a great indicator of the performance of Intel's future desktop processors based on the Conroe core.  AMD has already stated that beyond moving to Socket-M2 and some minor updates, there will be no significant architectural changes to the Athlon 64 line next year.  In other words, we know for the most part how AMD's going to be performing next year, but we have no clue how Intel will towards the end of 2006; Yonah helps us fill in the blanks. 
  2. AMD will have a dual core Turion based mobile processor out sometime in 2006. However, it will be based on AMD's Socket-M2 platform, meaning that it will include DDR2 support.  Given that we don't know exactly how DDR2 is going to impact the Athlon 64's performance, we couldn't accurately simulate the performance of AMD's upcoming dual core Turion.  Comparing a dual-core Yonah to AMD's single-core Turion also wouldn't be too valid a comparison either.
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  • Hacp - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    If you want performance of an AMD X2 in a notebook package, the Yonah duo is the way to go.
  • Griswold - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    Or you wait for dual core Turion. Same thing.
  • Accord99 - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    But at 2-3x the power consumption.
  • Houdani - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...

    No need to exaggerate unnecessarily.
  • Accord99 - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    That's a system power consumption, I was referring to CPU only. And in a laptop environment, the power usage of the other components are much smaller so the impact of the CPU portion is greater. 90nm single Turions are already uncompetitive with Yonah, making them dual core will just make it worse.
  • saratoga - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    The difference will most likely be less then 2x judging by the relative power consumption of Dothan and Venice @ 90nm, so you're still wrong.

    Also, Yonah is a 65nm chip. It should not be surprising that it has an edge over 90nm chips.
  • Accord99 - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    Dothan vs Turion ML has a 2X or greater edge under load. Yonah has comparable power consumption to Dothan while 90nm dual core Turions will clearly go up. 3X is not out of the question for non-undervolted DC Turions.
  • Shintai - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    Ye I would guess on something like 35W will be 40-45W with 65nm Turion X2, unless you sacrifice speeds. The 25W part might be 35-40W.

    But Turion really never had a chance, since it´s not designed for low power. And as we already saw in the benchies. Who want a dualcore Turion running at 1.8Ghz or less against a 2.13Ghz Yonah when the yonah uses less power.

    Intel briliant move so Dothan->Yonah only gave 9% more transistors. Turion->Turion X2 will add 110-120% more transistors (Over 100% due to crossbar between CPUs).

    So Yonah will also be cheaper to make than a dualcore Turion.
  • Furen - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link

    Intel did slice the "cache per core" in half with Yonah, so AMD could conceivably make Dual-core Turions have 512k per core, which would make the die-size increase around 50%, though this will probably have a greater impact on performance on the AMD side, since Dothan's cache was insanely huge to begin with.

    About the price: AMD Turions will always be cheaper than their direct analogs from Intel because AMD needs to perform the same AND have a better price for people to use it, otherwise they'll go with the market leader, so I dont think we'll ever be faced with chosing between a 1.8GHz Turion and a 2.13GHz Yonah. This is regardless of the production cost, though AMD's margins may take a big hit if Intel pushes prices hard enough.
  • bob661 - Monday, December 19, 2005 - link

    pnw3d

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