Value DDR2-800 from Super Talent: Where Can You Go?
by Wesley Fink on November 29, 2006 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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Final Words
All of the seven DDR2 memories we have previously tested have been based on Micron D9 memory chips. The best DDR2 memory we have tested is able to run at DDR2-800 3-3-3 timings and DDR2-1066 at 4-4-3. Performance at these settings is the best we have seen for DDR2, and they remain the standard against which other DDR2 memory is measured. It is worth repeating that all of the best DDR2 memory we have tested has been built with Micron memory chips, which have set the pace for high-end DDR2 memory performance.
The Super Talent DDR2-800 5-5-4, which is the subject of this review, is not built with Micron chips, it is not top-rated, and the price is definitely in the value segment. So what do you get then, with a Value DDR2-800 designed to sell for less than half the price of the top DDR2 memory available?
You get a lot more than you might expect with the Super Talent. For starters it runs DDR2-800 at 5-5-4 timings at the default 1.8V available on any Socket T or AM2 motherboard. This is something the top-end memory really can't do, since it is generally rated for performance at a higher DDR2 voltage. With just a little more voltage on the Super Talent T800UX2CG5 - a push to 1.95V - you can run stable 4-4-4-12 timings at DDR2-800. At those timings you will give up a few frames per second in games compared to 3-3-3 DDR2-800 timings, but the real performance difference is extremely small.
The Super Talent also will not perform with stability at DDR2-1067, something every other memory in our high-end testing has achieved. Again, this is a value memory and it will run at DDR2-1000, which is frankly outstanding performance for any memory that falls into the value category. The loss of performance at DDR2-1000 compared to DDR2-1067 to 1100 is very small. The biggest handicap might be small crimps in overclocking where you will need lower memory ratios to reach high CPU overclocks on the 965/975 Intel chipsets or the NVIDIA 680i. A modestly overclocked DDR2-1000 can all but match performance at 1066/1100 in the games most are running today.
The bottom line in all our results is that yes, the best DDR2 memory will give you the best performance. If absolute top performance is your goal then choose a memory that can do 3-3-3 at DDR2-800 and 4-4-3 at DDR2-1067. Your reward will be the best memory performance and highest frame rates you can achieve with any memory. However, if your concern is bang for the buck, you will be perfectly fine choosing a memory like Super Talent DDR2-800 5-5-4. Game performance will be only slightly slower, and you can more than make up for any small performance penalties by putting your savings towards a better video card or a faster CPU.
In the end the Core 2 Duo (and to a lesser extent the AM2) are not particularly memory bandwidth starved in present configurations. As a result the real advantages of faster memory are much smaller than we have seen in past architectures. You can take advantage of this fact by choosing somewhat slower memories with the knowledge that the real-world performance loss will be very small.
The Super Talent T800UX2CG5 is an excellent example of the kind of price compromises that make sense when total system cost is a big concern. If you are working within a tight budget, the Super Talent makes good sense as a value memory that will minimally impact performance, allowing the $100 to $200 savings to go toward a video card upgrade or CPU upgrade.
The Super Talent is certainly not the only good value choice and we will be testing others in the near future. Our advice would be to make sure your value memory choice can deliver solid performance at DDR2-800. Certainly the ability to do 4-4-4 or even better timings is desirable. Then look at where the memory tops out in overclocking tests. There are some good value products starting to appear in the DDR2 memory market and we have no doubt that many more are on the way. The Super Talent T800UX2CG5 is an outstanding choice where value and performance both matter.
All of the seven DDR2 memories we have previously tested have been based on Micron D9 memory chips. The best DDR2 memory we have tested is able to run at DDR2-800 3-3-3 timings and DDR2-1066 at 4-4-3. Performance at these settings is the best we have seen for DDR2, and they remain the standard against which other DDR2 memory is measured. It is worth repeating that all of the best DDR2 memory we have tested has been built with Micron memory chips, which have set the pace for high-end DDR2 memory performance.
The Super Talent DDR2-800 5-5-4, which is the subject of this review, is not built with Micron chips, it is not top-rated, and the price is definitely in the value segment. So what do you get then, with a Value DDR2-800 designed to sell for less than half the price of the top DDR2 memory available?
You get a lot more than you might expect with the Super Talent. For starters it runs DDR2-800 at 5-5-4 timings at the default 1.8V available on any Socket T or AM2 motherboard. This is something the top-end memory really can't do, since it is generally rated for performance at a higher DDR2 voltage. With just a little more voltage on the Super Talent T800UX2CG5 - a push to 1.95V - you can run stable 4-4-4-12 timings at DDR2-800. At those timings you will give up a few frames per second in games compared to 3-3-3 DDR2-800 timings, but the real performance difference is extremely small.
The Super Talent also will not perform with stability at DDR2-1067, something every other memory in our high-end testing has achieved. Again, this is a value memory and it will run at DDR2-1000, which is frankly outstanding performance for any memory that falls into the value category. The loss of performance at DDR2-1000 compared to DDR2-1067 to 1100 is very small. The biggest handicap might be small crimps in overclocking where you will need lower memory ratios to reach high CPU overclocks on the 965/975 Intel chipsets or the NVIDIA 680i. A modestly overclocked DDR2-1000 can all but match performance at 1066/1100 in the games most are running today.
The bottom line in all our results is that yes, the best DDR2 memory will give you the best performance. If absolute top performance is your goal then choose a memory that can do 3-3-3 at DDR2-800 and 4-4-3 at DDR2-1067. Your reward will be the best memory performance and highest frame rates you can achieve with any memory. However, if your concern is bang for the buck, you will be perfectly fine choosing a memory like Super Talent DDR2-800 5-5-4. Game performance will be only slightly slower, and you can more than make up for any small performance penalties by putting your savings towards a better video card or a faster CPU.
In the end the Core 2 Duo (and to a lesser extent the AM2) are not particularly memory bandwidth starved in present configurations. As a result the real advantages of faster memory are much smaller than we have seen in past architectures. You can take advantage of this fact by choosing somewhat slower memories with the knowledge that the real-world performance loss will be very small.
The Super Talent T800UX2CG5 is an excellent example of the kind of price compromises that make sense when total system cost is a big concern. If you are working within a tight budget, the Super Talent makes good sense as a value memory that will minimally impact performance, allowing the $100 to $200 savings to go toward a video card upgrade or CPU upgrade.
The Super Talent is certainly not the only good value choice and we will be testing others in the near future. Our advice would be to make sure your value memory choice can deliver solid performance at DDR2-800. Certainly the ability to do 4-4-4 or even better timings is desirable. Then look at where the memory tops out in overclocking tests. There are some good value products starting to appear in the DDR2 memory market and we have no doubt that many more are on the way. The Super Talent T800UX2CG5 is an outstanding choice where value and performance both matter.
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slayerized - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
The last week has seen a sudden drop in memory prices. There are quite a few DDR2 800 modules in the 200 price (-1/+30-40) range on newegg with better timings.G.Skill F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK is one of the products out there ($204) with rated timings of 4-4-4-12. I realize anandtech posted another g.skill ddr2 800 review a few days back, but i am pretty sure this is different. I think things are looking better in the memory side of things and prices should stabilize in the affordable range even for enthusiast memories soon (hopefully). Right now the trend is ridiculous.
Turin39789 - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link
It would have been nice for them to look at several memories, I'm not even sure why they tested this module except the manufacturer is launching the product and needs press. When you are looking for valueram and there are products that are more than 15% cheaper, that's what the budget minded are looking at. I want to know how the $200 sticks work and I want to see them compared with each other, similar to the treatment the high end stuff gets.Turin39789 - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link
It would have been nice for them to look at several memories, I'm not even sure why they tested this module except the manufacturer is launching the product and needs press. When you are looking for valueram and there are products that are more than 15% cheaper, that's what the budget minded are looking at. I want to know how the $200 sticks work and I want to see them compared with each other, similar to the treatment the high end stuff gets.Spacecomber - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
Are those the proper results with a mis-labeled heading, or did the wrong results find their way into the article? The results are titled G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ.Wesley Fink - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
Web Editing used an older template, updated the results, but not the title. The results were for the Super Talent DDR2-800. The table is now corrected.Wesley Fink - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
Web Editing used an older template, updated the results, but not the title. The results were for the Super Talent DDR2-800. The table is now corrected.lopri - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
Probably mis-labeled. I'm seeing G-skill, too.ashegam - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
is it me, or do these memory modules look like Walmart branded memory, at first glance? :)n7 - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
There's almost no way this is D9GMH/D9GKX.This is likely very good Promos or possibly Elpida.
Definitely not too bad results considering it's using a crap IC.
OrSin - Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - link
Since when is pretty good? The article is ok, but this line made me laugh. Reminds me of dells new pretty cases and the crap inside. Not all dells are crap but please dont buy a gaming rig from them and expect a true gaming computer. "