ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT: Calling a Spade a Spade
by Derek Wilson on May 14, 2007 12:04 PM EST- Posted in
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Beyond the Shader: Coloring Pixels
We can't ignore the last few steps in the rendering pipeline, as AMD has also updated their render back ends (analogous to NVIDIA's ROPs) which are responsible for determining the visibility of each fragment and the final color of each pixel on the screen. Beyond this, the render back ends handle compression and decompression, render to texture functionality, MRTs, framebuffer formats, and usually AA.
Once again, one of the important things to note is that R600 only has four render back ends. This means we will only see 16 pixels complete per clock at maximum, just like the R580. However, AMD has included double the Z/stencil hardware so that we can get up to 32 total Z/stencil ops out of the render back ends to improve stencil shadow operations among other things. Pure fill rate hasn't really mattered in a while, while Z/stencil capability remains important. But will only four render back ends be enough?
Efficiency has been improved on the render back ends, but with the potential of completing 64 threads per clock from the shader hardware, they will need to really work to keep up. R600 has the ability to display floating point formats from 11:11:10 up to 128-bit fp. DX10 requires eight MRTs now, and we've got them. We also get more efficient render to texture features which should help enable more complex effects to process faster.
Z/Stencil Hardware
As far as Z/stencil hardware is concerned, compression has gotten a boost up to 16:1 rather than 8:1 on the X1k series. Depth tests can be limited to a specific range programmatically which can speed up stencil shadows. Our Z-buffer is now 32-bit floating point rather than 24-bit. Hierarchical Z has been enhanced to handle some situations where it was unable to assist in rendering, and AMD has added a hierarchical stencil buffer as well.
AMD is introducing something called Re-Z which is designed to also help with the problem Early-Z has in not being able to handle shaders that update Z data. R600 is able to check Z values before a shader runs as well as after the Z value has been changed in the shader. This allows AMD to throw out pixels that are updated to be out of view without sending them to the render back ends for evaluation.
If we compare this setup with G80, we're not as worried as we are about texture capability. G80 can complete 24 pixels per clock (4 pixels per ROP with six ROPs). Like R600, G80 is capable of 2x Z-only performance with 48 Z/stencil operations per clock with AA enabled. When AA is disabled, the hardware is capable of 192 Z-only samples per clock. The ratio of running threads to ROPs is actually worse on G80 than on R600. At the same time, G80 does offer a higher overall fill rate based on potential pixels per clock and clock speed.
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johnsonx - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
and to which are you going to admit to?What was that old saying about glass houses and throwing stones? Shouldn't throw them in one? Definitely shouldn't them if you ARE one!
Puddleglum - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
You mean, while it does compete performance-wise?johnsonx - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
No, I'm pretty sure they mean DOESN'T. That is, the card can't compete with a GTX, yet still uses more power.INTC - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
Chadder007 - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
When will we have the 2600's out in review?? Thats the card im waiting for.TA152H - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
Derek,I like the fact you weren't mincing your words, except for a little on the last page, but I'll give you a perspective of why it might be a little better than some people will think.
There are some of us, and I am one, that will never buy NVIDIA. I bought one, had nothing but trouble with it, and have been buying ATI for 20 years. ATI has been around for so long, there is brand loyalty, and as long as they come out with something that is competent, we'll consider it against their other products without respect to NVIDIA. I'd rather give up the performance to work with something I'm a lot more comfortable with.
The power though is damning, I agree with you 100% on this. Any idea if these beasts are being made by AMD now, or still whoever ATI contracted out? AMD is typically really poor in their first iteration of a product on a process technology, but tend to improve quite a bit in succeeding ones. I wonder how much they'll push this product initially. It might be they just get it out to have it out, and the next one will be what is really a worthwhile product. That only makes sense, of course, if AMD is now manufacturing this product. I hope they are, they surely don't need to make anymore of their processors that aren't selling well.
One last thing I noticed is the 2400 Pro had no fan! It had a heatsink from Hell, but that will still make this a really attractive product for a growing market segment. Any chance of you guys doing a review on the best fanless cards?
DerekWilson - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - link
TSMC is manufacturing the R600 GPUs, not AMD.AnnonymousCoward - Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - link
"I bought one, had nothing but trouble with it, and have been buying ATI for 20 years."That made me laugh. If one bad experience was all it took to stop you from using a computer component, you'd be left with a PS/2 keyboard at best.
"...to work with something I'm a lot more comfortable with."
Are you more comfortable having 4:3 resolutions stretched on a widescreen? Maybe you're also more comfortable with having crappier performance than nvidia has offered for the last 6 months and counting? This kind of brand loyalty is silly.
MadBoris - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
As far as your brand loyalty, ATI doesn't exist anymore. Furthermore AMD executives will got the staff so you can't call it the same.Secondly, Nvidia has been a stellar company providing stellar products. Everyone has some ups and downs. Unfortunately with the hardware and drivers this is ATI's (er AMD's) downs.
This card should do ok in comparison to the GTS, especially as drivers mature. Some reviews show it doing better than GTS640 in most tests, so I am not sure where or how discrepencies are coming about. Maybe hardware compatibility, maybe settings.
rADo2 - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
Many NVIDIA 8600GT/GTS cards do not have a fan, are available on the market now, and are (probably; different league) much more powerful than 2400 ;) But as you are a fanboy, you are not interested, right?