Additional Testing and Information

Since we had the system for another couple of weeks, we did spend quite a bit more time testing things out. We're not going to bother with listing additional benchmark scores, as most of the updated scores are within a few percent of what we recorded in our initial review. We did discover a few areas that could use some additional tuning, specifically the memory configuration, and overall performance was improved by up to 5% just by tightening the timings and/or increasing the memory speed.

One of the oddities about the test system is that it was shipped with CrossFire 2900 XT 1GB cards. This seems to have been done more as proof that CrossFire is working on the Blackbird rather than for performance reasons. True, it would cost another $200 to upgrade to GeForce 8800 GTX SLI, but if gaming performance is your primary consideration and you're already spending over $5000, we definitely feel NVIDIA currently holds the upper hand. The latest NVIDIA Windows Vista driver release has removed any lingering doubts on this subject, but of course NVIDIA and AMD are both working on their next GPU updates and we may see those sooner rather than later.

We mentioned in the initial review that we had had a few system crashes/lockups. Those only occurred under continuous stress testing for several days, but it's still something that might concern a few people. It appears that HP has decided to ship overclocked QX6850 systems with a 3.33GHz clock speed instead of the 3.67GHz of our test system. While that does represent a 10% loss of performance in CPU intensive tasks, we can verify that even the rare instability issues we encountered went away at the slightly reduced clock speed. A little bit of fine tuning on the part of the end-user would likely allow a final CPU speed of around 3.5GHz while maintaining full stability, though obviously that will vary between CPUs. Increasing the memory voltage to 2.0V (without reducing the overclock) also seemed to help.

For the interested, we also did some quick noise level benchmarking. The difference in the amount of noise the system makes at full load and while idle is very small. Measured one foot from the left side of the case, we recorded 48 dB idle and 51 dB at load. That might seem pretty poor, but that was actually the worst location for noise measurements and objectively the noise levels seemed lower than what you would encounter with a regular air cooled setup. From the front and from the top, noise levels were 44 dB idle and 45 dB at load, so much of the noise seems to come through the ventilation on the left side of the case. Finally, sitting in a chair next to the system at a distance of about 4 feet, we recorded idle/load noise levels of 40/41.5 dB. By no means can this be considered a silent computer, but considering the amount of performance packed into the case the noise levels are very good.

There are a few other points of interest we wanted to touch on before we wrap up. First, Blackbird 002 is not meant to be a static offering. Instead, it will represent the top-of-the-line gaming offering from HP, and it will be updated with new components over time. Besides the aforementioned GPU updates that are almost certain to occur this fall, the CPU and chipset arenas aren't standing still either. HP will configure and ship an AMD based Blackbird starting in November utilizing the Athlon 64 X2 6000+; however, we don't see any point in bothering with such a processor right now. By far the more interesting AMD configuration will be whatever HP provides once Phenom starts shipping, and HP has committed to providing such a configuration.

Another subject that we discussed with Rahul Sood is the nForce 680i SLI ASUS motherboard with CrossFire support. He wouldn't tell us exactly who was responsible (other than that HP/VoodooPC was the driving force), but we can verify that there is a customized BIOS utilized on the motherboard and we were unable to flash a standard ASUS Striker using a copy of the BIOS. Rahul did state that they feel flexibility is one of the more important things about their motherboard selection, and they are evaluating all of the upcoming chipset releases (X38 from Intel and the various new SLI and CrossFire offerings from NVIDIA and AMD). We're fairly confident that whatever chipset they decide to use, they will continue to support both SLI and CrossFire on a single platform. Until we can get AMD and NVIDIA to drop the restrictions and open up things for all dual x16 motherboard offerings, this may represent the best compromise.

Finally, we asked Rahul about what sort of upgrade options they would offer people in the future. One of the benefits of purchasing a VoodooPC is that they will perform any system upgrades for you as long as you own the system. All you have to do is pay for shipping back to VoodooPC, and then pay for the wholesale price of the new hardware. They will upgrade the hardware, swap components as necessary, and clean up the wiring - all "free" of charge. (We're not quite sure about the wholesale pricing, however.) Rahul indicated that they are still trying to work out some sort of upgrade plan for the Blackbird, so if that's something you might find beneficial, keep an eye on the Blackbird website.

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  • georgemag07 - Saturday, October 20, 2007 - link

    I spent some time with the Blackbird at the E4All Expo in Los Angeles. Here are some pictures I took to round out the article. I was inpmressed by the design and the eSATA ports that are standard with the Machine.

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  • newhit - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    I've already got a Blackbird. Where does the Exhaust go on this one. Twin Akropovich straight thru pipes should realease a few extra BHP. This ones not good for pillions though.
  • nets - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    I might be nitpicking but I think your prices are a bit low. HP told me they use EVGA cards and I can't find any under $630

    But your biggest mistaske was forgetting to add the price of the case. Your parts came to $4,102 + $300 for the case is $4,402

    You said:

    "All told, it appears that the case, CPU overclocking, and system assembly carries a charge of around $1400 on the Dedication Edition."

    So -with- case the extra charge is $1,100 - or with prices I found at newegg closer to $1,000

    I say that ain't bad.
  • nets - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    I just re-read your article and you considered the case IN the overcharge. I understand your point now. Still, if you assume a $300 case the overcharge for the COMPLETED machine is indeed $1,100
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    $300 might also be a bit low for this case - I'd consider it "better" than something like a Silverstone in a lot of ways, so we could probably even go so far as to say it's a $400 or even $500 case. That's the price you pay for getting something "exotic", right?

    As for the 8800 Ultra, you're right that HP uses EVGA on their 8800 Ultra GPUs. Unless they're getting factory OC'ed models, though, there's no real difference between EVGA stock 8800 Ultra and "Brand-X" 8800 Ultra. They all use reference designs for cooling, RAM, PCB, etc., and since HP puts on water cooling (at least at the LCi/Dedication) the stock board seems to have even less meaning.

    That said, I know I saw a $590 Ultra when I put together the original price list, but the cheapest I'm seeing now is $610 (XFX). Since prices will fluctuate over time, I'll bump the price up a bit but over time the tables will undoubtedly be outdated.
  • nets - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    I asked HP if they overclocked the GPUs and they said "they already come overclocked so we didn't mess with them."

    I think a $1,000 charge for what is essentially a boutique PC is a bargin (compared to Falcon, Maingear, etc.! From your review I think you agree.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    Definitely. As I tried to make clear, *IF* you're in the market for an "exotic" high-end PC, the Blackbird is a real bargain compared to most other offerings. Alienware is about $500 more at least - and personally I'm not a huge fan of the "Alien Head Case" design. Falcon is about $2500 more and VoodooPC is about $3000 more. But you do get additional attention to detail with the latter two companies (and I'm sure some others that I failed to mention).

    I have no idea which EVGA GPUs are used, as I have/had (FedEx is coming today... sigh) the CrossFire version. It will be interesting to see what the Blackbird comes with in early 2008 as well, as I expect quite a few upgrades to appear. Penryn/Phenom, X38 (or some other chipset), and new GPUs are all coming out soon.
  • nets - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    I certainly agree about Alienware, I have always hated that case.
  • EateryOfPiza - Tuesday, October 2, 2007 - link

    Anandtech should compare the Blackbird to a comparably equipped build-your-own system, with parts matching as much as possible to see how much the custom case, the professional wiring, and other junk VoodooPC and other high end PC OEMs like Alienware really add to the price.
  • nets - Thursday, October 4, 2007 - link

    The price for your excellent budget system was $3,125 but you want HP to get the Blackbird under $1,500?
    That sounds unrealistic.

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