ASUS Maximus Formula SE: X38 and DDR2 Unite!
by Rajinder Gill on November 9, 2007 7:00 AM EST- Posted in
- Motherboards
Conclusion
The term "underwhelming" was used by us in our introduction to describe our sentiments about the X38 in DDR2 configurations. After testing the ASUS Maximus Formula SE for the past few weeks, the initial memory latency and bandwidth figures had us feeling exactly that way too. Of course, recent BIOS updates have improved the situation and once we broke past the synthetic memory benchmarks, it became clear that real world gaming or application usage does not suffer at all from the apparent synthetic deficit at equivalent processor speeds. We did find this board to be very quick and certainly worthy of attention for those looking to build a premium gaming platform or for the enthusiast looking to get the most out of their processor while utilizing DDR2 memory technology.
The lack of memory divider options to really push the board seems to be an issue from Intel's end, as the Gigabyte/MSI/Foxconn/abit X38 motherboards suffer the same malady. For DDR2 users, the decision of which chipset to buy can be summed up by considering whether or not you intend to run two graphics cards in Crossfire mode or do not plan on upgrading to Penryn shortly. For single GPU systems, we think a sub $175 P35 motherboard like the abit IP35 Pro is an excellent purchase while tweakaholics will have the superlative DFI LP UT P35 T2R, fulfilling the upper-end enthusiast role. However, considering the quickly maturing BIOS releases and the additional performance gains that come with them, we are no longer adverse to recommending an X38 DDR2 board. If we had to make a choice today, the ASUS Maximus Formula SE would be at the top of our X38 DDR2 list.
So, apart from running Crossfire in dual x16 mode and having a fairly tweakable BIOS, where does this leave the ASUS Maximus Formula? On the plus side, the latest BIOS releases are maturing rapidly, and we have found no real incompatibility issues using XP or Vista with a wide variety of components. Though the BIOS is touted as being for the "Extreme Tweaker", it's very easy to use. There are a few quirks to auto overclocking with the 0505 BIOS, voltages tend to drift towards the high side, at times outside the realms of safety in our opinion. This is why we suggest using manual settings as the best overclocking option for long term use. The bios recovery system worked flawlessly after a failed overclock setting and continues to be the best in the industry. We also found the features available on the board and the component choices utilized are excellent for the most part.
Our biggest gripes revolve around the somewhat disappointing execution of the supplied water block design and unreliable 1/2" tubing clamps when using high flow rate pumps. Sure, we love the concept - a single water block cooling two key areas of the motherboard, saving a lot of user cost and PC case clutter. Unfortunately, the bonding of the block to the Northbridge heatsink makes the whole water-cooling concept almost meaningless with our particular board sample. In non-modified form, the differences between running air rather than water to cool the Northbridge are virtually nonexistent. We have passed our suggestions to ASUS, who seem very willing to explore ways of improving the current design. Given the choice of spending in excess of $70 for two good water blocks to cover the Northbridge, and Southbridge, we prefer a well-implemented single block solution from ASUS. We have expressed our concerns to ASUS and they have shipped us a new board to test that hopefully resolves this problem.
We want ASUS to continue supplying their easy to use BIOS tweaking functions for mass audiences, though we feel that they do not need to combine "tweaker" functions under a respun marketing slogan. The current inclusion of a very limited and coarse GTL reference adjustment, "Transaction Booster", "Static Read Control" and "Clock Twister" actually prevents the enthusiast from full and flexible control, especially when the motherboard is pushed really hard (which it probably will be considering its target market). In this price class we need the option of full tweaking - certainly if a board is marketed as "Extreme Tweaker" as it should offer just that. ASUS definitely faces some stiff competition from Gigabyte, whose GA-X38-DQ6 offers nearly the same performance and features, bar the water-cooling out of the box. Then we have the possibility of DFI's and abit's X38 DDR2 offerings complicating choices even further. Oh, we also forgot the upcoming X48 chipset, which is bound to be more than just a speed binned X38 but is still targeted for the DDR3 performance crowd.
Extreme benchmarkers do make up a small percentage of the overall PC market, yet the success of an enthusiast level product hinges largely upon their opinion. The current buzzword in the benching scene is DDR3 and ASUS has its grip firmly on that market, with their DDR3 boards (Maximus/Formula Extreme) holding most of the Futuremark 3D world records. This leaves the appeal of current DDR2 X38 boards to early adopters who are either running CrossFire, waiting for a DDR3 price drop, or for Penryn to finally arrive. We have to acknowledge that the real test for supremacy between the X38 and P35 is yet to come - by that we are referring to the Penryn based processors that will be hitting retail shelves shortly. Once users have retail silicon on hand, it will be interesting to see how well both chipsets handle high FSB rates on the new processors. In our early testing, the nod goes to the X38 and is one more reason to consider the chipset once it matures. More than ever in this segment of the market, it's still all about features and overclocking. In this regard, we have to give the ASUS Maximus Formula SE a passing grade, and a recommended buy when looking at the current X38 offerings.
The term "underwhelming" was used by us in our introduction to describe our sentiments about the X38 in DDR2 configurations. After testing the ASUS Maximus Formula SE for the past few weeks, the initial memory latency and bandwidth figures had us feeling exactly that way too. Of course, recent BIOS updates have improved the situation and once we broke past the synthetic memory benchmarks, it became clear that real world gaming or application usage does not suffer at all from the apparent synthetic deficit at equivalent processor speeds. We did find this board to be very quick and certainly worthy of attention for those looking to build a premium gaming platform or for the enthusiast looking to get the most out of their processor while utilizing DDR2 memory technology.
The lack of memory divider options to really push the board seems to be an issue from Intel's end, as the Gigabyte/MSI/Foxconn/abit X38 motherboards suffer the same malady. For DDR2 users, the decision of which chipset to buy can be summed up by considering whether or not you intend to run two graphics cards in Crossfire mode or do not plan on upgrading to Penryn shortly. For single GPU systems, we think a sub $175 P35 motherboard like the abit IP35 Pro is an excellent purchase while tweakaholics will have the superlative DFI LP UT P35 T2R, fulfilling the upper-end enthusiast role. However, considering the quickly maturing BIOS releases and the additional performance gains that come with them, we are no longer adverse to recommending an X38 DDR2 board. If we had to make a choice today, the ASUS Maximus Formula SE would be at the top of our X38 DDR2 list.
So, apart from running Crossfire in dual x16 mode and having a fairly tweakable BIOS, where does this leave the ASUS Maximus Formula? On the plus side, the latest BIOS releases are maturing rapidly, and we have found no real incompatibility issues using XP or Vista with a wide variety of components. Though the BIOS is touted as being for the "Extreme Tweaker", it's very easy to use. There are a few quirks to auto overclocking with the 0505 BIOS, voltages tend to drift towards the high side, at times outside the realms of safety in our opinion. This is why we suggest using manual settings as the best overclocking option for long term use. The bios recovery system worked flawlessly after a failed overclock setting and continues to be the best in the industry. We also found the features available on the board and the component choices utilized are excellent for the most part.
Our biggest gripes revolve around the somewhat disappointing execution of the supplied water block design and unreliable 1/2" tubing clamps when using high flow rate pumps. Sure, we love the concept - a single water block cooling two key areas of the motherboard, saving a lot of user cost and PC case clutter. Unfortunately, the bonding of the block to the Northbridge heatsink makes the whole water-cooling concept almost meaningless with our particular board sample. In non-modified form, the differences between running air rather than water to cool the Northbridge are virtually nonexistent. We have passed our suggestions to ASUS, who seem very willing to explore ways of improving the current design. Given the choice of spending in excess of $70 for two good water blocks to cover the Northbridge, and Southbridge, we prefer a well-implemented single block solution from ASUS. We have expressed our concerns to ASUS and they have shipped us a new board to test that hopefully resolves this problem.
We want ASUS to continue supplying their easy to use BIOS tweaking functions for mass audiences, though we feel that they do not need to combine "tweaker" functions under a respun marketing slogan. The current inclusion of a very limited and coarse GTL reference adjustment, "Transaction Booster", "Static Read Control" and "Clock Twister" actually prevents the enthusiast from full and flexible control, especially when the motherboard is pushed really hard (which it probably will be considering its target market). In this price class we need the option of full tweaking - certainly if a board is marketed as "Extreme Tweaker" as it should offer just that. ASUS definitely faces some stiff competition from Gigabyte, whose GA-X38-DQ6 offers nearly the same performance and features, bar the water-cooling out of the box. Then we have the possibility of DFI's and abit's X38 DDR2 offerings complicating choices even further. Oh, we also forgot the upcoming X48 chipset, which is bound to be more than just a speed binned X38 but is still targeted for the DDR3 performance crowd.
Extreme benchmarkers do make up a small percentage of the overall PC market, yet the success of an enthusiast level product hinges largely upon their opinion. The current buzzword in the benching scene is DDR3 and ASUS has its grip firmly on that market, with their DDR3 boards (Maximus/Formula Extreme) holding most of the Futuremark 3D world records. This leaves the appeal of current DDR2 X38 boards to early adopters who are either running CrossFire, waiting for a DDR3 price drop, or for Penryn to finally arrive. We have to acknowledge that the real test for supremacy between the X38 and P35 is yet to come - by that we are referring to the Penryn based processors that will be hitting retail shelves shortly. Once users have retail silicon on hand, it will be interesting to see how well both chipsets handle high FSB rates on the new processors. In our early testing, the nod goes to the X38 and is one more reason to consider the chipset once it matures. More than ever in this segment of the market, it's still all about features and overclocking. In this regard, we have to give the ASUS Maximus Formula SE a passing grade, and a recommended buy when looking at the current X38 offerings.
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mbf - Friday, November 9, 2007 - link
...handle DDR2 ECC memory? I for one would like to know. ASUS seems to be of two (or possibly more) minds on the matter stating conflicting information all around the product pages for their respective X38 board offerings. Then again, the P5W DH Deluxe still seems like a smart choice, considering the very small performance delta between the i975x and later chipsets. Also, ASUS claims Penryn support for several of their "mature" offerings, including the P5W DH Deluxe.AnnihilatorX - Friday, November 9, 2007 - link
Personally I would recommend everyone including enthusiasts to not to buy over-priced performance RAMs.And of course looking at price at the moment to choose DDR2 over DDR3
A low latency low frequency RAM are potentially *much* cheaper than a high frequency one. The performance discrepancy is at most 5% which relates to perhaps 2-3FPS in a game. This has probably the lowest cost-to-performance ratio of a system component.
steve4717 - Sunday, May 16, 2010 - link
when will the new bios be ready, and i exspect it, this time to make it possible so it can see, ddr2 1066 at long last.nleksan - Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - link
I have been looking for a motherboard for a recently acquired (given to me free of charge) set of somewhat older but almost entirely unused (i.e. no more than 100hrs use on anything, most have around 20-40hrs; came from 9 different full-or-partial PC's) hardware including:- Core2Duo E8600 (under 20hrs use, known to run stable at 4.5Ghz on air, 4.9Ghz on water)
- 4x2GB G.Skill DDR2-1066/1150 4-4-4-9
- 4x1GB OCZ DDR2-1066 4-4-4-12
- 3x 250GB Samsung Spinpoint SATA3Gbps HDD's
- 2x 150GB WD VR SATA3Gbps 10krpm HDD's
- 1x WD WD800BB 80GB SATA3Gbps HDD
- 4x WD2500JB 250GB SATA HDD's
- 3x WD Caviar Blue 320GB (AAKS) SATA3Gbps HDD's (repurposed for new X79 build)
- 2x Seagate 7200.7 160GB E-IDE HDD's
- 3x Hitachi Deskstar 320GB SATA3Gbps HDD's
- Enermax 690W High-Efficiency PSU
- Antec SOHO Server Case with 8x3.5" bays/5x5.25" bays (fits a Xigmatek 4x3.5-in-3x5.25 with 120x25mm fan converter nicely, for a total of 12xHDD's) and ripe for some heavy modifications
OR
- Thermaltake XASER V Limited Edition with 5x3.5" bays + 6x5.25" bays
OR
- Buy a new sub-$100 case for this (Rosewill ThorV2 would be nice for price, Antec 1100/1200/P283
- DD Maze6 CPU Block
- 2x DD Maze6 GPU Blocks
- 3x Swiftech MCW82 GPU Blocks
- Laing DDC3.25 + 2x Laing D5 Vario Pumps
- Swiftech MCRES-Rev2
- HWL Black Ice GTX 360 rad
- HWL Black Ice GTS 280 rad
- 4x Misc 120-240 Rads
- 11x Delta Fans (7x 120x38mm 2200-4500rpm up to 133cfm 14.25mmH2O, 4x 120x25 2400-4800rpm up to 155cfm 15.2mmH2O)
- 5x NIDEC Fans (120x38mm 0.98amps 11.5-13.2V, up to 4250rpm 151cfm 22.32mmH2O)
- >50x Misc 80x15/25/38mm, 92x25/38mm, 120x12/25/38mm, 140x25mm Fans
I have been looking for two things: a Motherboard and a GPU (or pair of GPU's), and while this will be a Home Server/Media Server, it will also function as a F@H box. I am thinking that 2x 9800GTX+'s or 2x GTX260 216core's in SLI would suffice, but perhaps not? I don't know much about the C2D/C2Q era MB's/GPU's....
I have been looking at the following boards:
- Asus P5Q Premium (huge amount of connections, would allow 4x GPU's for F@H or 3xGPU + 1x RAID Card)
- Asus Maximus Extreme
- Asus Rampage Extreme
For GPU's, I've been really considering the following, from lowest cost to highest:
- 2-3x 8800GTS 512MB (G92)
- 3x 8800GTX's
- 2-3x 9800GT's
- 2-3x 9800GTX+'s
- 2x 9800GTX2's
- 2-3x GTX260(216core)-to-GTX295's
- 2-3x GTX460's-to-GTX480's
Anyone remember enough about this older hardware to help me out?