ATI Radeon HD 3870 & 3850: A Return to Competition
by Anand Lal Shimpi & Derek Wilson on November 15, 2007 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
Sensible Naming and the Cards
It looks like we may just be seeing some of the fruits of the ATI acquisition here today; no, we're not talking about the Radeon HD 3800 series, but rather the naming of the cards. AMD is releasing two cards today, the Radeon HD 3870 and the 3850, both based off of the new RV670 GPU. Notice anything missing from the GPU names? That's right, gone are the annoying suffixes. AMD is committed to getting rid of the suffix with its GPU products, so you won't see any XT, LE, PE, FUFME, SE etc... versions of these graphics cards. Can we just say now that we think this is a great idea?
Even though the name ATI Radeon HD 3870 is still a little long for our tastes, it's still better than having confusing suffixes. As long as AMD sticks to the higher numbers means better cards methodology we're happy.
There is a method to the nomenclature madness, which the image below should explain:
The first digit is the product generation, the second digit is the family, and then the last two digits refer to performance within that family. This should sound a lot like AMD's new CPU naming system or Intel's current Core 2 family. Note that with today's launch we're already pretty high in the 3800 series, whether or not that means we'll be looking forward to a 3900 or 4000 soon is another matter entirely.
Specifics on the two cards are as follows:
The 3870 is a two-slot solution, it runs its core at a minimum of 775MHz and comes with 2.25GHz data rate memory. Despite the two-slot cooler, the 3870 is actually quieter than the 3850, which itself is much quieter than the 2900 XT.
The Radeon HD 3870
The 3850 is a single slot card, with a 670MHz core clock and a 1.66GHz memory clock. The cards are priced at $219 and $179, respectively (more on pricing later). Like the 3870, the Radeon HD 3850 is actually quiet.
The Radeon HD 3850
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ChronoReverse - Friday, November 16, 2007 - link
I'll third that. The lines are great. Let's me know the resolution scaling quickly too.peldor - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
The line graphs are an improvement over the bar graphs. Good use of colors on these charts too.Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
I think this is honestly one of the best ideas I've ever heard. If I were talented enough to make a good looking hand puppet...Take care,
Anand
xsilver - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
pfft. hand puppets,you need 3d virtual godzilla representing nvidia and 3d virtual king kong representing amd. BTW godzilla would win because it can shoot flames out of its mouth. :P
about the article - is it not feasible that when the price of the 8800gt drops to $220 or lower the 3870 just needs to drop to 85% of that mark? With the 3870 being on the smaller die process, they could afford it or at least try to?
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
ohhhhhk, I just said that I'm not talented enough to make a couple of hand puppets, you expect me to be able to create 3D models of reptiles and animate them? I picked text as a medium for my artistic expression for a reason - I'm not exactly artistic otherwise ;)The thought of a $220 8800 GT and a $187 3870 (and thus an even cheaper 3850) is just too much for my mind to handle at this point. I think it'll eventually happen, but not in the near term, these things are too new and both companies like making money.
Take care,
Anand
Anonymous Freak - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
Will you do a comparison on CrossFire performance, say, comparing two 3870s to two 8800GTs on X48 vs. 680i? Or even two 3870s on X48 vs. even ONE 8800 Ultra? If 3870 can really sell for $219, or 3850 for less than $200, two of them might well blow away an 8800 Ultra in $/fps terms, even worse than 8800 GT SLI does.Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
Ask and you shall receive, I just added two new pages to the article - the new Page 10 tackles the CrossFire question.Take care,
Anand
wpapolis - Friday, November 16, 2007 - link
First off, great article! I still surf other web sites but when I read articles produced by Anandtech, they are usually more informative and better presented. Anand, you have a great sense of the relevant information to include in your articles and I do appreciate your effort.Just one small thing regarding CrossFire performance. I was a little disappointed when I read your comment ...
"Scaling looks pretty good from the Radeon HD 3850, however it's still not as good as what NVIDIA is able to achieve with the 8800 GT. NVIDIA consistently achieves about 11% better scaling from one to two GPUs than AMD."
You mentioned that scaling of the 3850's isn't as good as a 8800 GT. In this case, did you compared ...
2 x 3850's with 256MB per card
vs. 2 x 8800 GT's with 512MB per card?
If so, I would be interested in how well ...
2 x 3870's with 512MB per card compares.
I suspect that running a Crossfire configuration sucks up more RAM, so using a 256MB cards doesn't scale as well as using 512MB+ cards.
I know, I know, you didn't get 2 x 3870's, but maybe you can get one more now? Maybe one more page to this article?
Thanks again for your tremendous effort!
Bill
chrispyski - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
Nice crossfire chart. I know many people will be thinking about CF'ing the 3850's over a single high-end card (although I totally agree, it does not really work out well in the end)chucky2 - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - link
Those that could have waited for the 3850 and instead bought a 8600 or 2400/2600 are probably kicking themselves right now...Chuck