Sparkle 8800 GT Passive: The Fastest Silent GPU in the World
by Anand Lal Shimpi on November 29, 2007 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
So about that pricing...
NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GT launched to much praise from us, you all and other reviewers altogether. We've got a roundup of 8800 GTs in the works and today we're looking at a very special 8800 GT that those building silent PCs may be interested in. But, before we go much further must address the current situation with 8800 GT pricing and availability. There are a couple of givens:
1) GeForce 8800 GT availability is extremely limited, and
2) Pricing is much higher than expected
NVIDIA’s original target for the 8800 GT was $199 for the 256MB version and $249 - $259 for the 512MB version, and while 256MB cards are just now starting to appear in the worldwide market, 512MB cards just can’t be bought at those prices.
A quick look at Newegg shows that most cards are priced between $270 and $320, but almost all cards are out of stock at this time. If you're willing to spend a little more you can find cards selling for $330 - $350, but then you run into some very creative pricing on shipping.
Our own Gary Key took screen shots of his checkout cart at three different stores, pay attention to the rates for overnight shipping:
$100.33 for next day air shipping, does it come wrapped in Italian leather?
Don't be fooled by the colors, you'll be paying $380.78 for one of these bad boys
$340 for the card, $40 for shipping, you might as well buy an Xbox 360
If you want one of these things right away it looks like it'll cost you as much as $100 to get it shipped overnight. Who said patience doesn't pay off? Factor in some sort of speedy shipping and you're looking at close to a $400 investment for what was supposed to be a $250 card. With the fruits of capitalism come the inevitable sour grapes, the 8800 GT is a hot item and vendors will do whatever they can to maximize profit on it.
AMD is convinced that this is all a giant conspiracy by NVIDIA to hurt the launch of the Radeon HD 3800 series. Create buzz for a product that on paper destroys the Radeon HD 3870 but don't produce enough to actually make that happen. You have to admit, based on NVIDIA's promises the initial 8800 GT reviews were beyond glowing; but honestly, if we had to write the review today, even knowing the availability problems, the card still gets our recommendation - just at a higher price point.
The fact of the matter is that if you're patient and put in a pre-order with a vendor, you can actually get one of these things at less than $300, just not at $250. AMD should be happy because if the 8800 GT were actually a $250 card, the Radeon HD 3870 would have no place in the market. Instead, we've actually got a very nice set of options:
If you're spending less than $200, the only card to get is the Radeon HD 3850 and if you can find one at $220, the Radeon HD 3870 is good value. And then we've got the 8800 GT, which is effectively a $300 card if you're patient and more like $350 if you want one right away.
But if you're building a HTPC or just want a silent PC and happen to be a gamer, there's one particular flavor of 8800 GT that will interest you the most.
A Silent 8800 GT? Impossible
The night before our 8800 GT review went live, Derek called me and let me know that Sparkle sent along images of a passively cooled 8800 GT. Said one word: "impossible". I told him that it had to be a Photoshop because there was no way you were going to get an 8800 GT running without a fan, the card was simply too hot.
The 754M transistors that make up G92 were simply switching too fast and dissipating too much heat to be cooled by anything without a fan. Sparkle could’ve lowered the clocks, that would’ve made it possible, but I thought there was just no way at stock speeds. And Sparkle was promising a bone stock 8800 GT, sans fan.
I had honestly forgotten about the card until I started work on the 8800 GT roundup, and there it was, in its innocent white box:
I was still skeptical. We've received passively cooled video cards before that wouldn't even work at their stock speeds due to inadequate cooling. We had one 7600 GT in particular back when we were working on the Silent GPU Roundup that wouldn't even work at stock clock speeds in any 3D games, and we went through three samples before everyone determined that the card just couldn't be sold.
But in the back of my mind I was hopeful, after all, the idea of having a 8800 GT without a fan was simply too good. We've already benchmarked the 8800 GT and shown that it is faster than the vast majority of NVIDIA's lineup, easily offering 8800 GTX performance at a lower price. Since a silent 8800 GTX isn't possible, the 65nm G92 GPU on the 8800 GT could just make a few dreams come true.
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natrap - Saturday, December 1, 2007 - link
I agree with Cerb. The fact that it reached 111C and did not fail is a good sign. And that was recorded with the case fans off in a poorly ventilated case. I'm gonna get this for an Antec Solo which has a single 120mm case fan at the rear over the CPU. I'd expect a temp a little lower. As for such high temps affecting the life of the card, well it does come with a 12 month warranty. If it hasn't failed in that time running close to 24/7 then the chance of it failing soon after isn't going to be a great deal higher.natrap - Saturday, December 1, 2007 - link
I agree with Cerb. The fact that it reached 111C and did not fail is a good sign. And that was recorded with the case fans off in a poorly ventilated case. I'm gonna get this for an Antec Solo which has a single 120mm case fan at the rear over the CPU. I'd expect a temp a little lower. As for such high temps affecting the life of the card, well it does come with a 12 month warranty. If it hasn't failed in that time running close to 24/7 then the chance of it failing soon after isn't going to be a great deal higher.Allen Iverson - Saturday, December 1, 2007 - link
Great article anand, LOVE the Sparkle thumbnail :Dgochichi - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link
A lack of HDMI for this type of card is simply unacceptable.I wish the heat pipes wrapped further down, and in general, fan-less cards such as these (the ones that perform) should come with the option of adding standard two 80mm or one 120mm fans. The heat sink needs to be more impressive.
I have (though I don't use it anymore) a fan-less X800, and while it was marginally fine for a while to use it fan-less, I used to lay a quiet 80mm on top of it... I wish I could have easily secured the fan.
You see, fan less cards are meant for the few, the people that want more options. The price could easily be $350.00 if the card was right, and it be THE card to own for the enthusiast. You could down clock the card and slap it into a poorly ventilated case, or you could slap two 80mm fans on it and overclock it more than any other.
That's my two cents. To me, this is no good... if you care about quietness, it would be better to buy a regular card that self-cools... b/c leaving it up to the case means multiplying the noise.
harpoza - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link
Next day shipping almost always costs $30-$50. I'm not sure why this is so notable?Bozo Galora - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link
Or, you could have run the card at 54 degrees under load by using the new Thermalright HR-03GT GPU HS with 92mm Fan.http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=208305">http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=208305
You still could even amend this article with same, or even do a new one in cases cooling. Then you would have both ends of the spectrum.
And, supposedly, according to one report on the web, the 8800GT was not a paper launch, but some components needed for the board were in short supply. "Nvidia declined to say which ones".
kilroy0097 - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link
My point being, after looking at this review and testing of the Sparkle version of the 8800GT, it seems to me to be an added cost for less than adequate benefit. Perhaps you won't be using the card to play games like Crysis at full break to see how hot it can get and for those people this will probably be just fine. However for those that want silence and power wouldn't it be better to get a stock 8800GT, the cheapest you can find and then put on a Thermalright HR-03 Passive VGA cooler that is made for Nvidia 8800 cards. It achieves the same thing as Sparkle's design except it's made to better dissipate the heat. Granted it costs around $50 but it's also larger and more efficient. I think personally it's a safer and better alternative than the Sparkle design. Though kudos to Sparkle for at least attempting.scottb75 - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link
What kind of computer case (if any) was used for this test? Because my EVGA 8800GT SC at stock (SC) clocks and stock fan speeds runs about 57C idle and 78C at load. If you are getting 72C idle and 94C at load on a stock 8800GT something is wrong.stapuft - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link
Agreed, mine runs 52/72C on Crysis, fan at 35%. 56/78 stock.The story in Anand's blog about failing 8800GT's and 3870's would make sense if they had cooling problem. Pics of the test rig and ambient temperatures in the office at time of test are called for.
BTW, if you're in a hurry, you deserve a high price for shipping. Lose the rant about it. EVGA is a standup company.
stapuft - Friday, November 30, 2007 - link
Agreed, mine runs 52/72C on Crysis, fan at 35%. 56/78 stock.The story in Anand's blog about failing 8800GT's and 3870's would make sense if they had cooling problem. Pics of the test rig and ambient temperatures in the office at time of test are called for.
BTW, if you're in a hurry, you deserve a high price for shipping. Lose the rant about it. EVGA is a standup company.