ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2: 2 GPUs 1 Card, A Return to the High End
by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 28, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
Last May, AMD introduced its much delayed Radeon HD 2900 XT at $399. In a highly unexpected move, AMD indicated that it would not be introducing any higher end graphics cards. We discussed this in our original 2900 XT review:
"In another unique move, there is no high end part in AMD's R600 lineup. The Radeon HD 2900 XT is the highest end graphics card in the lineup and it's priced at $399. While we appreciate AMD's intent to keep prices in check, the justification is what we have an issue with. According to AMD, it loses money on high end parts which is why we won't see anything more expensive than the 2900 XT this time around. The real story is that AMD would lose money on a high end part if it wasn't competitive, which is why we feel that there's nothing more expensive than the 2900 XT. It's not a huge deal because the number of people buying > $399 graphics cards is limited, but before we've started the review AMD is already giving up ground to NVIDIA, which isn't a good sign."
AMD has since released even more graphics cards, including the competitive Radeon HD 3870 and 3850, but it still lacked a high end offering. The end of 2007 saw a slew of graphics cards released that brought GeForce 8800 GTX performance to the masses at lower price points, but nothing any faster. Considering we have yet to achieve visual perfection in PC games, there's still a need for even faster hardware.
At the end of last year both AMD and NVIDIA hinted at bringing back multi-GPU cards to help round out the high end. The idea is simple: take two fast GPUs, put them together on a single card and sell them as a single faster video card.
These dual GPU designs are even more important today because of the SLI/CrossFire limitations that exist on various chipsets. With few exceptions, you can't run SLI on anything other than a NVIDIA chipset; and unless you're running an AMD or Intel chipset, you can't run CrossFire. These self-contained SLI/CrossFire graphics cards will work on anything however.
AMD is the first out of the gates with the Radeon HD 3870 X2, based on what AMD is calling its R680 GPU. Despite the codename, the product name tells the entire story: the Radeon HD 3870 X2 is made up of two 3870s on a single card.
The card is long, measuring 10.5" it's the same length as a GeForce 8800 GTX or Ultra. AMD is particularly proud of its PCB design which is admittedly quite compact despite featuring more than twice the silicon of a single Radeon HD 3870.
On the board we've got two 3870 GPUs, separated by a 48-lane PCIe 1.1 bridge (no 2.0 support here guys). Each GPU has 16 lanes going to it, and then the final 16 lanes head directly to the PCIe connector and out to the motherboard's chipset.
Two RV670 GPUs surround the PCIe bridge chip - Click to Enlarge
Thanks to the point-to-point nature of the PCI Express interface, that's all you need for this elegant design to work.
Each GPU has its own 512MB frame buffer, but the power delivery on the board has been reworked to deal with supplying two 3870 GPUs.
The Radeon HD 3870 X2 is built on a 12-layer PCB, compared to the 8-layer design used by the standard 3870. The more layers you have on a PCB the easier routing and ground/power isolation becomes, AMD says that this is the reason it is able to run the GPUs on the X2 faster than on the single GPU board. A standard 3870 runs its GPU at 775MHz, while both GPUs on the X2 run at 825MHz.
Memory speed is reduced however; the Radeon HD 3870 X2 uses slower, more available GDDR3 in order to keep board cost under control. While the standard 3870 uses 2.25GHz data rate GDDR4, the X2 runs its GDDR3 at a 1.8GHz data rate.
AMD expects the Radeon HD 3870 X2 to be priced at $449, which is actually cheaper than a pair of 3870s - making it sort of a bargain high end product. We reviewed so many sub-$300 cards at the end of last year that we were a bit put off by the $500 pricetag at first; then we remembered how things used to be, and it seems that the 3870 X2 will be the beginning of a return to normalcy in the graphics industry.
One GPU on the Radeon HD 3870
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poohbear - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
well its about time, good job amd, lets see u maintain the performance lead damn it!boe - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Howdy,I appreciate any benchmarks we can get but if you do a followup on this card with newer drivers, I hope you will consider the following
1. A comparison with a couple of older cards x1900 and 7900
2. A sound measurement of the cards e.g. db at full utilation from 2'
3. Crossfire performance if this card supports it.
4. Benchmarking on FEAR - all bells and whistles turned on
5. DX10 vs. DX9 performance.
Thanks again for creating this article - I'm considering this card.
perzy - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Am I the only one tired of all these multicores? I guess programming gets even more complex now. I guess the future all games will have development cycles like Duke Nukem forever -10+ years....?Are the GPU's hitting the heatwall 2 now?
Soon I'll stop reading these hardware sites. The only reports in the near future will be 'yet another core added.' Yipee.
wien - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Coding for a multi-GPU setup is not really any different that coding for a single-GPU one. All the complexity is handled by the driver, unlike with multi-core CPUs.FXi - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Have to say they did a good job, not great, but very good. We do need to see the 700 though, as this won't hold them for long.The other thing both camps need to address is dual monitors using SLI/CF. It's been forever since this tech has been out and it hasn't been fixed. Dual screens are commonplace and people like them. Could be one large and one smaller, or dual midrange but people want the FPS without losing their 2nd screen.
I'm sure there will be a rash of promises to fix this that won't materialize for years :) (as before)
ChronoReverse - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - link
Actually, that was one of the things that was fixed by ATI. Dual screens will work even if it's in a window and _spanning_ the monitors. I'll see if I can find the review that showed that.murphyslabrat - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Come on AMD, don't die until we get the Radeon 4870 x2!Retratserif - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Third to last paragraph.The fact "hat" both?
Overall good article. To bad we didnt get to see temps or overclocks.
PeteRoy - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
Is Nvidia and ATI will just put more of the same instead of innovate new technologies.Wasn't that what killed 3dfx, Nvidia should know.
kilkennycat - Monday, January 28, 2008 - link
The next-gen GPU family at nVidia is in full development. Hold on to your wallet till the middle of this year (2008). You may be in for a very pleasant surprise.