Higher Clock Speeds, No TLB Issues and Better Pricing: The New Phenom
by Anand Lal Shimpi on March 27, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Overclocking B3, a Little Better
Despite the new 50 series CPUs being a new spin of silicon, the only changes AMD made (that we are aware of at least) were to fix the TLB erratum. We were told not to expect any significant increases in clock frequency out of B3, it was simply a functional change. However, with Phenom having been in production for a little while now it's possible that we could get a little more out of our B3 chips than the first Phenom processors we tested late last year.
Using stock cooling on air we wanted to see how things had changed in four months. Armed with our unlocked Phenom X4 9850, we wanted to see what was possible.
We went straight for 2.8GHz at stock voltage, which surprisingly enough POSTed and got us into Windows without any problems. The system wasn't stable enough to complete most of our benchmarks however, we needed to boost the core voltage a bit:
Note that this is better than any of our previous attempts with Phenom. While we could hit 3.0GHz in the past, it was never stable enough to complete all of our benchmarks. While we only had a few hours left over to test the overclocking stability of the 9850 it does look like it may be the first Phenom capable of easily breaking the 2.6GHz barrier.
We aimed for 3.0GHz and while we could get into Windows and run some benchmarks, we couldn't get it 100% stable. In our opinion it's highly unlikely we'll see AMD release a 3.0GHz Phenom on 65nm this year. It may be possible on 45nm but it's still too early to tell if that'll be this year or not.
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chizow - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
I kinda agree with the others about this being a massive fluff piece. The following take on clock speeds really emphasizes the bias built into this article, about Phenom's clock speeds and potential performance:and on the very next page:
There isn't anything special about 3GHz, AMD just can't get this hot turd to run that fast, period.
pomaikai - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
Just bought a phenom for an upgrade. It is the old stepping, but the person I got it for will never do virtualization or overclock. I couldnt pass up an OEM Phenom 9600 for $132.Dribble - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
I agree Q9300 is no Q6600 replacement because the whole point of the Q6600 was you could over clock it to get a real high performance part. Because the Q9300 uses the 333 fsb trying to get over clocks similar to even the Q6600 requires a much higher fsb. Particularly as the max fsb for a quad is significantly lower then for dual's, you'll max out most motherboards before you even reach the max possible Q6600 speeds.coldpower27 - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
Q9300 is a reaplcement if your not an overclocker it has better stock perfomrance and to most of intel's OEM's it is, so overall it is a better. From both a stock performance and energy consumption standpoint.If your trying to overclock you will likely need at least the Q9450.
7Enigma - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
I have been waiting to build a system now for a couple months and I really wanted to use the 9450 due to the 12mb cache compared to the Q9300. The newegg out of stock price, however, is listed at $380!!!My price sweetspot for a CPU has always been around $300 since I only upgrade systems every 3-4 years so am willing to spend more on the cpu than other components.
Anand, do you happen to have a comparison between the 9450 and 9300 (preferably at the same clock speed?) to see exactly how much that doubling of L2 cache helps in different situations. I primarily game, but always multitask and have other programs running so would really like to know if that extra 6mb is helpful (especially in the next 3 years).
Thanks.
archcommus - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
My situation exactly. I was hoping to build a new system first week of May with a 9450, due to wanting a quad-core 45nm part with the best cache/price ratio, but it doesn't look like it will be affordable by that time (I'm willing to pay $316, not more though). So I too am curious if the 9300 will fit the bill (also planning to keep for 3-4 years).DigitalFreak - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
AMD still make stinky stinky. Pew!formulav8 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - link
Grow up. Intel doesn't like you.Proteusza - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
Is it all possible for you guys to release the replay which you used to test performance? I want to compare my system to these, because I'm considering upgrading to Phenom. Pity MSI hasnt released a BIOS update for my motherboard that allows it to use Phenom CPUs, so I might be waiting a while (its a K9N SLI Platinum, in future I will just buy Asus).Note to anyone who plays Supreme Commander with a multicore CPU - there is a tool that improves performance by allocating threads to CPUs better. It is specific to SupCom, which tends to have one CPU with 100% usage, and the rest with 20%. The tool automatically adjusts the affinity. Go to forums.gaspowered.com and look in around for a thread related to Core Maximizer.
michal1980 - Thursday, March 27, 2008 - link
Ok amd is doing better. The Q6600 has been out for what? over a year now. And its still owning AMD's baby. And to top that off, I though the whole 'pure' quad core technology was supposd to be better then the lets slap 2 dual cores into one package method of Intel.Its nice Amd can FINALLY start to play with the big boys... But the way this article was written is just garbage, A year late and a dollar short.
As for price the q6600 is dropping all over the place... Frys had it for 180 yesterday, Microcenter has it for 200.
So why is this article written in such postive light for AMD? A nice paycheck for the author. The conclusion is clear... Intel OWNS AMD. The price difference on the market is 0. The ability to overclock the q6600 is as easy as switching the bus to 1333mhz, and the ownage will grow.
So yes amd made an improvemnt over the crap they had. However their current cream of the crop is owned by the 1+ year old stuff.
Its like getting into the hotest club right before they close... Wow you got in... But its time to go.