NVIDIA's 1.4 Billion Transistor GPU: GT200 Arrives as the GeForce GTX 280 & 260
by Anand Lal Shimpi & Derek Wilson on June 16, 2008 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Folding@home Now on NVIDIA
Folding@home, for those who don't know, is a distributed computing app designed to help researchers better understand the process of protien folding. Knowing more about how protiens assemble themselves can help us better understand many diseases such as alzheimers, but protien folding is very complex and takes a long time to simulate. the problem is made much easier by breaking it up into smaller parts and allowing many people to work on the problem.
Most of this work has been done on the CPU, but PS3 and AMD R5xx GPUs have been able to fold for a while now. Recently support for AMD's R6xx lineup was added as well. NVIDIA GPUs haven't been enabled to run folding@home until now (or very soon anyway). Stanford has finally implemented a version of folding@home with CUDA support that will allow all G80 and higher hardware to run the client.
We've had the chance for the past couple days to play around with a pre-beta version of the folding client, and running folding on NVIDIA hardwarwe is definitly very fast. Work units and protiens are different on CPUs and GPUs because the hardware is suited to different tasks, but to give some perspective a quadcore CPU could simulate tens of nanoseconds of a protien fold, while GPUs can simulate hundreds.
While we don't have the ability to bring you any useful comparative benchmarks right now, Stanford is working on implemeting some standard test cases that can be run on different hardware. This will help us actually compare the performance of different hardware in a meaningful way. Right now giving you numbers to compare CPUs, PS3s, AMD and NVIDIA GPUs would be like directly comparing framerates from different games on different hardware as if they were related.
What we will say is that NVIDIA predicts that the GTX 280 will be capable of simulating something between 5 and 6 hundred nanoseconds of folding per day while CPUs are going to be two orders of magnitude slower. They also show the GTX 280 handily ahead of any current AMD solutions by high margins, but until we can test it ourselves we really don't want to put a finer point on it.
In our tests, we've actually seen the GT200 folding client perform at between 600 and 850ns per day (using the timestamps in the log file to determine performance), so we are quite impressed. Work units complete about every 20 to 25 minutes depending on the protien and whether or not the viewer is running (which does have a significant impact since the calculations and the display are both running on the GPU).
Hardware H.264 Encoding
For years now both ATI and NVIDIA have been boasting about how much better their GPUs were for video encoding than Intel's CPUs. They promised multi-fold speedups in performance but never delivered, so we've been stuck encoding and transcoding videos on CPUs.
With the GT200, NVIDIA has taken one step closer to actually delivering on these promises. We got a copy of a severely limited beta of Elemental Technologies' BadaBOOM Media Converter:
The media converter currently only works on the GeForce GTX 280 and GTX 260, but when it ships there will be support for G80/G92 based GPUs as well. The arguably more frustrating issue with it today is its lack of support for CPU-based encoding, so we can't actually make an apples-to-apples comparison to CPUs or other GPUs. The demo will also only encode up to 2 minutes of video.
With that out of the way however, BadaBOOM will perform H.264 encoding on your GPU. There is still a significant amount of work being done on the CPU during the encode, our Core 2 Extreme QX9770 was at 20 - 30% CPU utilization during the entire encode process, but it's better than the 50 - 100% it would normally be at if we were encoding on the CPU alone.
Then there's the speedup. We can't perform a true apples-to-apples comparison since we can't use BadaBOOM's H.264 encoder on anything else, but compared to using the open source x264 encoder the performance speedup is pretty good. We used AutoMKV and played with its presets to vary quality:
In the worst case scenario, the GTX 280 is around 40% faster than encoding on Intel's fastest CPU alone. In the best case scenario however, the GTX 280 can complete the encoding task in 1/10th the time.
We're not sure where a true apples-to-apples comparison would end up, but somewhere between those two extremes is probably a good guesstimate. Hopefully we'll see more examples of GPU based video encoder applications in the future as there seems to be a lot of potential here. Given how long it takes to encode a Blu-ray movie, we needn't even explain why it's necessary.
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Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
Thanks for the heads up, you're right about G92 only having 4 ROPs, I've corrected the image and references in the article. I also clarified the GeForce FX statement, it definitely fell behind for more reasons than just memory bandwidth, but the point was that NVIDIA has been trying to go down this path for a while now.Take care,
Anand
mczak - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
Thanks for correcting. Still, the paragraph about the FX is a bit odd imho. Lack of bandwidth really was the least of its problem, it was a too complicated core with actually lots of texturing power, and sacrificed raw compute power for more programmability in the compute core (which was its biggest problem).Arbie - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
I appreciate the in-depth look at the architecture, but what really matters to me are graphics performance, heat, and noise. You addressed the card's idle power dissipation but only in full-system terms, which masks a lot. Will it really draw 25W in idle under WinXP?And this highly detailed review does not even mention noise! That's very disappointing. I'm ready to buy this card, but Tom's finds their samples terribly noisy. I was hoping and expecting Anandtech to talk about this.
Arbie
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
I've updated the article with some thoughts on noise. It's definitely loud under load, not GeForce FX loud but the fan does move a lot of air. It's the loudest thing in my office by far once you get the GPU temps high enough.From the updated article:
"Cooling NVIDIA's hottest card isn't easy and you can definitely hear the beast moving air. At idle, the GPU is as quiet as any other high-end NVIDIA GPU. Under load, as the GTX 280 heats up the fan spins faster and moves much more air, which quickly becomes audible. It's not GeForce FX annoying, but it's not as quiet as other high-end NVIDIA GPUs; then again, there are 1.4 billion transistors switching in there. If you have a silent PC, the GTX 280 will definitely un-silence it and put out enough heat to make the rest of your fans work harder. If you're used to a GeForce 8800 GTX, GTS or GT, the noise will bother you. The problem is that returning to idle from gaming for a couple of hours results in a fan that doesn't want to spin down as low as when you first turned your machine on.
While it's impressive that NVIDIA built this chip on a 65nm process, it desperately needs to move to 55nm."
Mr Roboto - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
I agree with what Darkryft said about wanting a card that absolutely without a doubt, stomps the 8800GTX. So far that hasn't happened as the GX2 and GT200 hardly do either. The only thing they proved with the G90 and G92 is that they know how to cut costs.Well thanks for making me feel like such a smart consumer as it's going on 2 years with my 8800GTX and it still owns 90% of the games I play.
P.S. It looks like Nvidia has quietly discontinued the 8800GTX as it's no longer on major retail sites.
Rev1 - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
Ya the 640 8800 gts also. No Sli for me lol.wiper - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
What about noise ? Other reviews show mixed data. One says it's another dustblower, others says the noise level is ok.Zak - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
First thing though, don't rely entirely on spell checker:)) Page 4 "Derek Gets Technical": "borrowing terminology from weaving was cleaver" I believe you meant "clever"?As darkryft pointed out:
"In my opinion, for $650, I want to see some f-ing God-like performance."
Why would anyone pay $650 for this? Ugh? This is probably THE disappointment of the year:(((
Z.
js01 - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
On techpowerups review it seemed to pull much bigger numbers but they were using xp sp2.http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Point_Of_View/G...">http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Point_Of_View/G...
NickelPlate - Monday, June 16, 2008 - link
Pfft, title says it all. Let's hope that driver updates widen the gap between previous high end products. Otherwise, I'll pass on this one.