Music Gaming Goodness: Rock Band 2 Rocks The House
by Derek Wilson on October 24, 2008 1:25 AM EST- Posted in
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The Instruments: The Premium Drum Kit
The bottom line is that the ION Drum Rocker (the premium Rock Band 2 kit) is better than the standard kit for gamers who are really into drumming with Rock Band. But it might not be the best solution for everyone, and drummers might just hate parts of it.
Wow, this actually looks like an electronic drum kit. Maybe that's because it is...
The kit comes with 6 triggers (4 pads and 2 cymbals), a foot switch, an adjustable rack, and a controller into which all the parts connect. A third cymbal can be ordered. The rack (and thus positions of all the triggers) is adjustable. In order to make small adjustments, pads can be moved up and down (or in and out) on their mount points; to make large adjustments, the positions of arms on the rack need to be changed.
So many bolts to adjust ... Lucky I always keep my drum key drill bit in my pocket.
But we lose something important with all the added flexibility and configurability of the premium kit: the ability to quickly adjust to multiple people. The standard kit includes very quick and easy height adjustment that can be used to adapt easily when more than one person wants to play the drums. In a party game environment, this is something that might end up being essential for people get the most out of their gaming experience.
The back of the brain. Note the mount to the rack. All the pads have these and can move that much.
There is some flexibility in the mounding rods the drum pads are attached to that gives you some flexibility (depending on how you set it up). But if you need to drastically adjust the height of the premium kit (say if you have a small kid and a tall adult playing) you'll need to loosen multiple tension rods with a drum key, move multiple bars up or down, and then re tighten things. It's not quick or simple. Yes, if there is one drummer in the house, setting it up perfectly can be easier and more rewarding, but if you throw multiple cooks into the kitchen you're best option will be to get it somewhere between what everyone needs/wants. And in that case, you lose a lot of the advantage of the premium kit.
It ain't no V-Drums, but these pads are sweet compared to the standard kits.
There are plenty of other good things about the kit though. The pads are bouncier, which makes playing less of a chore, especially for those fast rolls. The cymbals feel a little flat (they absorb the impact and don't bounce back much) but if you aren't doing extended rolls on them there isn't really a problem here. But the real advantage (and downfall) of the premium kit is the kick pedal.
Rather than using a Roland TD-8 style pad attached to a real kick pedal, the premium kit makes use of a foot switch that, to go back to the Roland example, would normally be used as a hi-hat pedal. The pedal is very responsive but also really light. Meaning it doesn't take much effort to push it down, but it still pops back up pretty quickly. The problem drummers will have with it is that it doesn't bounce. I'll talk about that in a second though.
The kick pedal that comes with the premium kit is immensely better than the one that comes with the standard Rock Band or Rock Band 2 drums. It isn't perfect, but the advantage can't be overstated. Because of the reduced effort required to play with the foot-switch-turned-kick-pedal and the very small amount of movement required to open and close the switch, gamers will be able to play much faster and more easily for a longer period of time. For musicians, while the pedal is still a huge improvement over the standard offering, there is a lot to be desired.
When playing with a real kick pedal and hitting an actual drum, there is a lot of reaction going on. With either Rock Band setup, you need to expend energy in both pushing the pedal down and lifting your foot up. With a real kick pedal, you can use the bounce to remove a lot of the effort required to to play fast bass drum beats. For simple beats, you will likely expend more energy when using a real kick, but quick double hits much harder than they need to be with Rock Band. And don't get me started on those thrash metal songs. My leg feels like it is going to fall off after some of that nonsense, and it gets really frustrating not having a better kick pedal option.
Some drummers may be able to get over the problems with using a hi-hat pedal as a kick drum, but I really just want to go with a Roland TD-8, a kickbox and my pearl pedal and be done with it. For me, the ION (premium kit) kick pedal, while better than the RB1/RB2 kick pedal, still isn't very good. Non-drummers will likely feel different and will more than likely love the upgraded kick option. But then almost anything is better than the stock piece of junk.
There are also some reliability issues. We've heard tales of some people having the kick pedal stick in the down position. And in a very disappointing turn of events, our pedal actually broke. There is a flimsy metal piece attached to the pedal that depresses an actuator located on the base to close the circuit. This metal piece snapped off while playing a rather simple and straight forward song. I play barefoot and while I'm sure I play a little harder than most non-drummers, I learned on an older Roland electronic kit back in the early-mid 90's so I've never been very heavy footed.
We thought about attaching something a little stronger to the pedal, but we rethought a repair attempt, as it is likely the flexible metal piece was used to absorb high impact and prevent damage to the switch itself. The fact that the actuator itself is mechanical leaves the ION kick pedal prone to breakage in a way that the RB1 and RB2 pedals just aren't. Sure, the horrible construction on both RB pedals can lead to breakage of the pedal itself (remember, the hinge of the RB2 pedal is still just plastic, and that is where one of our other pedals broke), but the mechanism that actually closes the circuit is actually much more likely to break on the ION pedal.
We were able to take the actuator and magnet out of one of our broken RB pedals and build it into a real kick pedal and practice pad set up with no problem. Others have taken their broken RB pedals and repaired them using wood or a metal plate or more plastic. Sometimes it's ugly, but it usually works. With the ION pedal, we were able to rig it up to keep functioning, but we're still waiting on a replacement.
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Myrandex - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link
Umm I don't think rockband implies talent.I have no musical talent, and nor to I desire to obtain any musical talent. I can't even read sheet music when someone was teaching me, and it didn't bother me in the slightest bit.
The point of RB is fun. That's it. I used to think that all of these types of games were lame, until a friend brought over Guitar Hero 2. We played it until 3 am, and afterwards I realized that these games were fun (until you had to play lame songs, which is still a fault).
And I agree that this game is to music as FPS is to Military Training; after an intense CS session I certainly am not ready to head to cs_iraq and preventing the terrorist from setting us up the bomb!
explovewhisper - Saturday, December 7, 2019 - link
Rock Band was released on November 3, 2009 on the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Wii consoles, supports all existing Rock Band instruments https://nhacchuong68.com/Myrandex - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link
Good article...I love RB and RB2, although I will admit with some of the songs I just think "WTF is this song doing in here" and here are SOOO many songs that I want to play on there that are not available.
I wish that there was some way to import songs into the game and define the tracks (or even let the game automatically decide that, although that'd take a lot of programming and remove a profit area from Harmonix with DLC), because frankly even the songs that are on DLC aren't the ones that I want to play. Sure some are there, but not the ones that I crave to play. And I am sure that there are plenty of other people in the same position as myself, and I am also sure that plenty of other people would not like the songs that I want. Thats the joy in everyone having their own invidial tastes (Rammstein is the band that I'd love to see more than anyone else on there for example)...
I remember 1 song on RB2 on expert on guitar was seriously just the green button at a certain interval that was not difficult at all (a lame rappish type song)...it didn't belong there at all! I fell asleep playing it on expert :-/
I don't play the drums often, but I will admit that the pedal from RB1 does frustrate me and the lack of an adjustable chair makes playin git uncomfortable (long legs makes it hard to hit the bedal properly because my knee will be bent at a less than 90 degree angle), so I pretty much just play guitar (or base). It is still fun though and I'd recommend it to anyone.
Jason
webstorm1 - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link
I have a PS3, and there is an option to queue songs for multiple song downloads. You can select Download in the background, so you don't have to wait for any song to download before moving on. Then you just go to the game navigation menu (can't remember the exact name, but it's the one you would use to actually start a game from) and select each song after it has downloaded to install it. I'm guessing this is an Xbox 360 limitation in the online service, so it may even be fixed if anyone cares to do so.Myrandex - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link
I couldn't quite figure out on page 1 what the author was trying to say for "You what you would if you..." slightly under the picture.Jason
Gary Key - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link
Corrected now, had a HTML tag error there...Devo2007 - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link
Instead of saying "The Premium Drum Kit" I think you should specifically mention that it's the ION Drum Rocker somewhere in the first half of page 5 -- it made things rather confusing when you kept saying "Premium Drum Kit" and then randomly referring to the kick pedal as the "ION Kick Pedal."DerekWilson - Saturday, October 25, 2008 - link
thanks for the advice. i updated the page.Diosjenin - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link
I have to thank you for the thoroughness with which you've dissected the drum kit(s) in particular. I don't actually own either 1 or 2, but I've played the first one a few times and the critiques you gave of the first set I feel are quite accurate, so I certainly trust the critiques you give of the new one(s).I do have to ask - is there an option to designate the hi-hat as the leftmost 'drum' rather than the one second from the left on the non-premium kit (where I presume you can just switch the pads)? If there's an option in either 1 or 2 to change this, do let me know, but I haven't ever played on a system where that's been the case, and not being able to play with my right arm crossed over my left remains my primary qualm with the drum setup as a whole - even above the horrible bass pedal feel and construction...
DerekWilson - Saturday, October 25, 2008 - link
you can't reassign pads and must rely on what the programmers defined for each song.this is definitely the most frustrating thing for me. having the flexibility of the premium kit here is nice as you can, for whatever song, make it "right" usually by switching the plugs in the brain for the yellow and red pads.
it still just makes me want to buy a real electronic drum kit and a kickbox though.