Athlon64 3400+: Part 2

by Wesley Fink on January 12, 2004 2:59 PM EST

Final Words

Our benchmarks show the 3400+ is a fast CPU that is deserving of the 3400+ Performance Rating. It is faster than Intel's comparably priced 3.2 Pentium 4 in almost every benchmark and even outperforms the pricey 3.2EE in most benchmarks. It is certainly the fastest Socket 754 chip available. It runs at the same 2.2 GHz and has the same 1Mb cache as the fastest Socket 940 processor, the Athlon64 FX51, but it operates with common Single-Channel DDR unbuffered memory instead of the Dual-Channel Registered memory required by the FX51 and Opteron. In many benchmarks, the 3400+ comes very close to the top-line FX51 in performance, despite the fact that the memory bandwidth is much lower than the Athlon64 FX. This is particularly true in the "real application" benchmarks, like Multimedia Content Creation Winstone and Office Winstone.

In gaming applications, all of the Athlon64 family processors top our gaming benchmarks and the 3400+ is the top performing Athlon64 Socket 754 chip. The Athlon64 FX51 is still the fastest processor, as expected, but in many cases, the 3400+ comes very close to the FX CPU. In computing intensive applications like Workstation Graphics, Media Encoding, and some of the most demanding games, the Dual-Channel FX chip shows its superiority. However, for most users, the 3400+ will give them all they could want in a processor - for about 40% less than the FX51.

We like the 3400+, but the larger question is where the chip fits in the big AMD picture. For the next year, Socket 754 seems like a safe bet. AMD will be introducing another 754 chip later this year, expected to be the 3700+. However, the 3700+ may be the last Socket 754 chip. The upcoming Socket 939, which will be used for the new version of the Athlon64 FX, is expected to become the dominant AMD socket. Socket 939 will allow the common unbuffered DDR memory (that most already own) to be used in Dual-Channel with the revised FX processor. Many speculate that the 754 will move to low-end or be discontinued after a short period of co-existing with Socket 939.

So where does this leave you as a potential buyer? If you want to wait until Sockets settle down before you buy, then you will likely never own another motherboard or processor. 478 will be going to 775, 939 will be appearing, 754 may move to the low end, 940 will continue with Opteron, and a multitude of other changes are in the works in this industry. However, if you are looking for a fast gaming system, you can build an excellent system with a 3400+ or any of the 3 current Athlon64 Socket 754 processors. The Socket 754 boards are very reasonable, and what you get for your money will be a top gaming rig that can outperform anything on the market.

AMD's marketing directions are as clear as mud, which is really a shame since the Athlon64 chips are really excellent. Normally, a new chip with the highest rating that we have seen so far would be a reason for pulling out all the stops and proclaiming a new Market Performance Leader. However, the 3400+ is introduced between the Opteron-based Athlon64 FX and the Xeon-based Pentium 4EE, so it is hard to proclaim the 3400+ the fastest chip on the market. As Dorothy might say, this isn't Kansas anymore. However, in every area except Media Encoding, the 3400+ equals or outperforms the pricey P4EE, and in most benchmarks, the 3400+ is surprisingly close to the costly FX51. So, we find the Athlon64 3400+ to be the best performing mainstream CPU. To put it another way, if we had about $430 to spend on a CPU, then the 3400+ is the CPU that we would buy.

If you are an ambitious overclocker, however, the greater headroom of the Pentium 4 chips cannot be ignored if you are shopping for a new CPU. You also cannot ignore the fact that the Athlon64 FX chips are completely unlocked, allowing many more options for the overclocker. In another of the twists and turns of the processor market, we now talk about how very overclockable the Intel Pentium 4 CPU is, when Intel was the company not long ago who tried to stop remarking (and kill overclocking as a consequence) with the CPU lock. In the same market we see AMD, the company that recently championed overclocking with unlocked XP and Barton processors, now locking the very same CPUs. However, as we will explore in a future article, the more modest overclocks of the current Athlon64 family, combined with "top-locking" only (lower multipliers can be selected) can still yield some impressive performance increases for those who will overclock the Athlon64. And with 1000 Hyper Transport bus just around the corner, you will likely be able to take the Athlon64 even further . . .

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  • atlr - Thursday, January 22, 2004 - link

    Anyone seen any performance comparisons of 32-bit versus 64-bit versions of software and o/s on the A64?
  • milehigh - Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - link

    I'd like to 2nd #13's reply to include some older CPU's in these reviews. I've got a Barton 2500+ and seeing how it stacks up can help in not only help in upgrade decisions but I think it can help illustrate just how much faster these new CPU's are...

  • KingofFah - Thursday, January 15, 2004 - link

    I would be careful with most 350's, but, like #15 said, most FSP's (no matter which brand is relabeled on it) are marked much lower than what they are capable of doing. THG did a psu round up a while back showing that the FSP-300 was really capable of being completely stable at 390W consumption and the 350 (of which I am a owner) was capable being completely stable at 454W. I have not seen a review of the FSP-400 yet, but I am sure it follows the same trend as its predecessors. Most PSU's run very little over (or even under if it is a cheap one) their specified values, but Sparkle goes well over them.
  • TrogdorJW - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - link

    As for dropping Quake 3, how about checking out this, first:

    http://speedycpu.dyndns.org/opt/

    I've read (from X-bit Labs) that the optimized DLLs boost Athlon XP/64 performance by 13 to 18 percent. Wow!

    See:

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlo...

    One last word of caution, though, is that if the DLLs in question are binary compiled as opposed to interpreted code, then id software's Jon Carmack says they are more open for cheats. In addition, there is the fact that a binary compiled DLL is already said to boost performance by up to 20%. Not sure about all this, but here's a last link if you want:

    http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/336
  • TrogdorJW - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - link

    #15, as the review states, they could not get system stability with a 350W quality power supply and the 3400+. Maybe you have a better PS than their 350W, but I wouldn't count on that.

    There are those that claim the Prescott will be a flame-thrower. Maybe. What we know for sure, though, is that the 3400+ has raised the bar in power requirements. Looks like 450W PS will become the norm in the next year....
  • sprockkets - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - link

    You can't go wrong with a 350 watt FSP-350PN power supply, from either Sparkle or Forton Power Source, with it's 12cm fan. Works fine for my system I built with a 3200+ and gf4 4600, soon to be 9800 ATI card.
  • rms - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - link

    Congrats on the great article. Please STOP USING QUAKE3-BASED GAMES AS A CPU BENCHMARK. It doesn't recognize athlons as SSE-enabled, and is worthless for cross-platform comparisons.

    rms
  • clv101 - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - link

    What I'd really like to see in reviews like this are some slower systems - I'm fed up with seeing graphs showing 6 cpu with only a few % performance difference.

    I'd like the see the A64 3400+ and P4 3.2 benchmarked against a XP 2500+, a 2.4GHz P4 and my old 1.33GHz TBird. That would be useful to see.

    Seeing that the A64 3400+ is a little bit faster than a A64 3200+ is no good to anyone!
  • Wesley Fink - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - link

    PrinceGaz -

    You are correct, but I had to return the initial 655TX and just received the shipping version of the P4S800D-E the day we left for CES. So I did not have the board available for the full roundup.

    I did run the P4EE through the 655TX to check benchmarks and it is faster by a small amount in almost every benchmark. However, it does not change any of the positioning or conclusions.

    #10 - I could not find the list either, since it looks like AMD has stopped the PS list for the Athlon64 and replaced it with "Athlon64 Power Supply recommendations" which are just general guidelines. The best source of info on compatible PS then, will likely be Power Supply reviews by AnandTech and others.
  • PrinceGaz - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - link

    Its nice to have a clear comparison of how the A64 and A64FX compare with the top P4's including the P4EE.

    One question though, shouldn't an article which "tests the top CPU's from Intel and AMD on the top-performing motherboards that we have tested for each platform" use an SiS 655TX rather than Intel 875P mobo for the Intel chips when your own review last month found the 655TX to be faster than the 875P in every single test?

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