Q3'05 AMD Roadmap; DDR2 and New Sockets for AMD
by Kristopher Kubicki & Jarred Walton on July 21, 2005 1:47 PM EST- Posted in
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The Desktop
AMD Desktop Athlon 64 Roadmap | ||||
Processor | Core Name | Clock Speed | Socket | Launch Date |
Athlon FX-59 | San Diego | 3.0 GHz 1MB | Socket 939 | Q1'06 |
Athlon FX-57 | San Diego | 2.8 GHz 1MB | Socket 939 | Now |
Athlon 64 X2 >=5000+ | Windsor? | 2.6 GHz? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 X2 >=5000+ | Toledo? | 2.6 GHz? | Socket 939 | Q1'06 |
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ | Windsor | 2.4 GHz 1MB? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 4000+ | Orleans | 2.4 GHz 1MB? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 3800+ | Orleans | 2.4 GHz 512K? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Athlon 64 3500+ | Orleans | 2.2 GHz 512K? | Socket M2 | Q2'06 |
Besides the single core M2 processors, we also have the dual core parts, codenamed Windsor. We have a 4800+ part for socket M2, as well as parts greater than or equal to 5000+ for both socket 939 and M2. As with the single core variants, we see two likely possibilities. The first is that the M2 parts will directly match the 939 parts in features, making the 4800+ a 2.4 GHz 1MB per core design. On the other hand, improvements in the performance of the platform through the use of DDR2 may allow AMD to use a 2.4 GHz 512K part for the 4800+. Part of the attractiveness of such a change is that the 2x512K parts would have a smaller die size, decreasing the manufacturing costs. Time will tell what AMD's precise plans are, and at present all we have are model names with which to speculate.
The last addition to the performance desktop market is a new FX model, the FX-59. While in the past we have speculated that AMD would switch the FX to a dual core design, the roadmap instead indicates that the FX-59 is intended to use a San Diego core running at 3.0 GHz. Other details in the roadmap show that AMD intends for the FX line to offer top single core performance. AMD market the FX line as being "ideal for 3D games and single-threaded applications." The X2 line on the other hand is "designed for sophisticated power users who run multiple processor intensive applications simultaneously," and is "ideal for digital content creation as well as for listening and viewing entertainment." It seems pretty clear from such statements that the FX line will remain single core for a while longer.
M2 isn't just a switch to DDR2 memory support, though. Besides DDR2, AMD indicates that the Orleans and Windsor processors will also have "Security and Virtualization" features. Previously codenamed Pacifica, the virtualization technology adds hardware support that allows a system to run multiple operating systems simultaneously. It was possible to do this in the past with such tools as VMware, but hardware support should dramatically improve performance. The security technology mentioned is likely to be very similar to Intel's LaGrande Technology and was code named Presidio. Whether or not you'll need a tin foil hat to operate your computer is yet undecided.
You'll notice that socket 754 is no longer even represented in the desktop arena. There are a couple parts that will work on socket 754 motherboards, but they are no longer marketed as mainstream or performance desktop processors. That brings us to the desktop Sempron processors.
AMD Desktop Sempron Roadmap | ||||
Processor | Core Name | Clock Speed | Socket | Launch Date |
Sempron 3700+ | Palermo Ex | 2.2 GHz 256K | Socket 939 | Q2'06 |
Sempron 3700+ | Palermo Ex | 2.2 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q2'06 |
Sempron 3600+ | Palermo Ex | 2.2 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q1'06 |
Sempron 3500+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 256K | Socket 939 | Q1'06 |
Sempron 3400+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3400+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 128K | Socket 939 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3300+ | Palermo Ex | 2.0 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3200+ | Palermo D0/Ex | 1.8 GHz 256K | Socket 939 | Now? |
Sempron 3100+ | Palermo Ex | 1.8 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 3000+ | Palermo D0/Ex | 1.8 GHz 128K | Socket 939 | Now? |
Sempron 3000+ | Palermo Ex | 1.8 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 2800+ | Palermo Ex | 1.6 GHz 256K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
Sempron 2600+ | Palermo Ex | 1.6 GHz 128K | Socket 754 | Q3'05 |
There are quite a few upcoming parts in the value desktop computing sector. Launching very soon will be the Ex stepping of the Palermo core, which will add - or rather enable - 64-bit extensions on all the Sempron parts. All of the presently available Sempron parts are for socket 754 (and even a few older socket A models that are being phased out), but we also have Sempron parts targeting socket 939 that should be launching any time now. Information contained within the roadmap actually seems to indicate that 3000+ and 3200+ Sempron parts have already started shipping for socket 939, though we haven't seen any. It could be that they are going straight to OEMs, as the same parts show up as DTR (Desktop Replacement) notebook processors.
Looking forward to 2006, we still have a few more speed bumps to the Sempron line on both sockets with the 3500+, 3600+, and 3700+ parts. Somewhat interesting to note is that the Sempron 3700+ will apparently be a 2.2 GHz 256K cache part on both sockets - normally AMD has rated the equivalent clock speend and cache socket 939 parts slightly higher than socket 754 parts due to the dual-channel memory support of 939.
Besides the above value processors, we also have some information on the upcoming M2 value processor. Code named Manila, the processor won't support the virtualization and security features that other M2 processors have. That isn't too surprising, as frankly we expect virtualization technologies to be far more useful for the performance sector. However, it will support dual channel DDR2; typically we don't see dual channel support on value processors, so that's a welcome change.
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john matthews - Saturday, January 21, 2006 - link
The Sempron 3200+ socket 939 processors are being used in Compaq presario's, model # SR1603. I have been trying to find any documentation I could on this chip because AMD's website said it did not exist despite the fact that SANDRA and CPU-Z were telling me that I had a socket 939 Sempron. CPU-Z reports the chip as a Sempron 3200+, Code Name Palermo, Brand ID 38, socket 939, Family F, Model F, Stepping 2, Ext Family F, Ext Model 2F, Revision E6. I have been searching the web for the last three weeks looking for some info on this processor and this is the first documentation I have found on it. I even EMailed AMD tech support and they denied any knowledge of it.Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link
Guess I'll just buy me a X2 soon and dont bother with M2 for a year or two (from the time it is released)Anemone - Friday, July 29, 2005 - link
Presently I have a relatively cheap Intel chip and a nice 2gb of ram (it makes what I do work out fine). If AMD were to have DDR2 support right now, I'd switch cpu's and mobo in an instant. Guess I'm just kinda sad it'll take a year before that's a possibility.However, saying that I am still wishing they'd spend till 2007 supporting upgrades for the 939 socket folks. Imo, supporting them with better cpu's to plug in to their systems would be a nice thank you for giving the business to AMD. I know, but it's my $.02.
So I guess I wait till next year, as I'm not going to invest in 2gb of DDR at this point. OH well!
$.02
OC DETECTIVE - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link
Strange you say you cant mention the lower speed X2 aka 3800+ after all it is on AMD's website if you look hard enough.(Just click on processor)http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalReso...">http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Te...182_869_...
Couple of other comments - to date there are no cache disabled Manchesters (they have a different die size to the Toledo 147 v 199mm2) and the X2 3800+ and X2 4200+ TDP is only 89W.
KristopherKubicki - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link
That's the unfortunate problem of NDA. AMD hasn't actually leaked the specs yet, even though they leaked the name it looks like. I don't think anyone from AMD is going to hammer us about talking about the chip, but I'm not in the mood to push my luck either.Kristopher
aldamon - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link
Kristopher, could you please back up this statement:"As virtually any socket 754 board should have no trouble supporting these mobile variants, 754 owners looking to upgrade for additional CPU performance might be interested in checking out these parts."
KristopherKubicki - Monday, July 25, 2005 - link
aldamon: In comparison to Turion, Athlon 64-M is pretty well supported by motherboard manufacturers. I've heard various horror stories of getting Turion to work in desktop motherboards, howeever.Kristopher
aldamon - Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - link
You didn't say "well supported" in the article. You said "virtually any socket 754 board" could run the 4000+. As far as I know, only the DFI Lanparty UT nForce3 can run mobiles without problems. The MSI and Chaintech boards can do it too but with quirks. That's a far cry from "virtually any socket 754."Also, mobiles do not come with an IHS. That messes with the HSF spacing for a lot of mobo / HSF combos.
What I'm getting at here is that virtually any S754 SHOULD be able to run the chip but they can't. Maybe if AT called out a few of these companies we'd get proper BIOS support. I'd love to have an upgrade path for my Epox 8KDA3J.
How about an AT article on 4000+ Newark support?
JarredWalton - Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - link
First it has to be realeased. Then we need to email the board manufacturers and ask about support for Athlon 64-M and Turion. We may be looking at a Turion/64-M article in the future, so that will give me a good reason to email a variety of manufacturers and ask about support.aldamon - Thursday, July 28, 2005 - link
That would be great. Thanks.