Debunking Power Supply Myths
by Christoph Katzer on September 22, 2008 3:00 AM EST- Posted in
- Cases/Cooling/PSUs
Connectors and the 12V Rail Issue, Cont'd
As a second example, let's take our high-end system. This requires more power, making it a little more difficult to find an appropriate power supply -- especially if you want to run 3-way SLI. NVIDIA initially only certified 1200W power supplies for that sort of setup, but Corsair was eventually able to receive this certification for a 1000W unit. To run a 3-way SLI setup, we need at least six 6-pin PEG connectors, so let's start by looking at the number of connectors available on our high-end PSUs.
| PSU PEG Connectors | |||
| Manufacturer and Name | # of 6-pin PEG Connectors | # of 6/8-pin PEG Connectors | Total |
| Antec NeoPower Blue | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| Antec Signature | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Silverstone Decathlon | 4 | 0 | 4 |
| Zalman ZM850HP | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Enermax Pro82+ | 0 | 4 | 4 |
As you can see, none of the power supplies we listed are able to run more than two GPUs, since none of them have the available six PEG connectors. We still don't recommend 3-way SLI, has the advantages over two-way SLI are sketchy at best. Regular SLI also has the advantage of only requiring four 6-pin PEG connectors even for the highest-end GPUs. All of the listed power supplies can meet this requirement, except for the Antec NeoPower Blue.
For the second 12V rail issue, here's a look at the specific power requirements of our graphics card, the GeForce 8800 Ultra:
| GPU Power Requirements by Connector | |||||
| Vendor and Chip | Through 6-pin Jack |
Through PCI-E Slot |
Total Power | ||
| NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra | 9.4A | 112.8W | 6.1A | 72.2W | 186W |
If you plan to run multiple cards, you can just multiply 186W by the number of cards in the system. We found during testing that the cards don't consume equal amounts of power. The first GPU always uses the same amount of power, whether in a single or SLI configuration. The second and third cards however require much less power, which also means that they are doing less work. In testing a variety of benchmarks and games, we saw that the second and third graphics cards only use 40% to 50% of the power of a single GPU.
One thing is obvious when looking at the power consumption of the single GeForce 8800 Ultra: the maximum power draw is only 15.5A, which you can get from a single 12V rail. Most higher-end power supplies have multiple 12V rails, which should make distributing power to your GPUs even easier. As long as the 24-pin ATX connector and the different 6-pin PEG connectors run on different 12V rails, none of the rails should end up with an excessive load. That takes care of the 300W power requirements mentioned by GPU vendors.
If you take the high-end system (with an optional third graphics card), you are looking at one of the most demanding systems available. Of course, you could always overclock the processor and graphics cards, which might increase power requirements by another 30%, but we'll leave that topic for another day. We were able to run this test system with a normal 850W power supply, and even with a reasonable load the PSU fan didn't make that much noise. Most of the high-end PSUs we've chosen for this article could also run a triple-SLI setup, provided they have sufficient connectors.
At the beginning of the year, we requested a special AnandTech Edition of PC Power & Cooling's Turbo Cool 860W power supply with six PEG connectors, specifically for running a triple-SLI setup. We have been using the power supply since then with three GeForce 8800 Ultra cards, an Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 CPU, and 12 Western Digital hard drives without any problems. Clearly, quality of construction and number of connectors are far more important than a silly wattage rating.
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Dancer - Thursday, October 22, 2009 - link
On the face of it, this article seems an excellent, well-researched contribution to a highly vexed question. I do have a concern, however: We know that the power output of a PSU drops as it ages. We also know that this drop depends partly on quality and partly due to random chance. If I'm buying a PSU to last 3, 5 or more years, will this seriously affect the capacity of the PSU I should buy for a given machine?internetrush - Saturday, June 6, 2009 - link
Ok, lets low ball it, im running 200w (average) per graphics card, about 50w cpu (core i7) and three hard drives.Lets see
200 x 2
+50 + 50 (motherboard chipset)
+30 Sound card
+10 cd drive
+20 (fans)
During a game, much less a stress test, im lowballing a 600w load on my PSU.
If i had an 800w PSU that would be 80% of its total output, which thereby increases its heat and decreases its life.
When you buy a 1000w PSU, not only are you ensuring that you will never watch your computer go up in smoke (had a friend do that to a 350w on an old P4) but you are also not having to replace it whenever you buy a new processor or add something to your system.
This article is good, however, on a tech website i would expect a bit more consideration for the higher end gamers and common sense.
Common sense says, if you are a higher end system user, you WILL expand said system!
For gods sake! Some cards today use up to 500w power (the 4890X2 and new 295 SuperCard).
As a gamer, id rather have a 2000W PSU that id never have to replace than a 400w that would FRY as soon as i threw on a new video card.
Christoph Katzer - Saturday, August 8, 2009 - link
Sorry for the late reply.You are probably right when you see it from the perspective of a high-end-hardcore-gamer... But do you know how small the percentage of people is who actually own a real high-end system?
JohnMD1022 - Sunday, March 15, 2009 - link
It would be nice if you could periodically update this with newer components.lopri - Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - link
BillyBuerger - Sunday, October 26, 2008 - link
Anyone have any info on that Thermaltake QFan 300? That thing looks great efficiency wise. Not normally a Thermaltake fan. And the fan controller looks like it sucks. Just keep it below 150W... Or fan swap.Christoph Katzer - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link
I will have a review up soon!Cincybeck - Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - link
Couple of "knowitall" friends were trying to tell me I was going to need a larger power supply when I built my new system. Which in turned incited the Microcenter sales person saying oh yea you're probably going to need that too. I turned around said I estimated these parts to draw at most around 200, 250 watts, and I have a 500W Seasonic M12. Shut him up pretty quickly, but my friends were still pushing it the whole way home. So now if they ever bring it up again I can print this article and shove it in their face. Thanks =D0roo0roo - Sunday, September 28, 2008 - link
i like the graphs:)keep it up!
this is the info we need!
normally the psu market is just lousy because of the lack of any real information.
mark84 - Friday, September 26, 2008 - link
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