AMD Talks Phenom II, Roadmaps and More at Fall 2008 Financial Analyst Day
by Anand Lal Shimpi on November 13, 2008 1:00 PM EST- Posted in
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45nm Phenom? It's called the Phenom II and you Get It Next Year
Phenom II will be available in a couple of versions. The Phenom II X4 is a quad-core part initially released for the Socket-AM2+ platform, but eventually it will be a Socket-AM3 part with DDR3 support. The Deneb core is a Phenom II X4 with 8MB of L3 cache and the Propos version has a 2MB cache. Both of these cores have integrated DDR2 memory controllers, with a transition to DDR3 sometime in 2010.
Caspian is a dual-core version of the 45nm Phenom II with a 2MB cache, Champlain hits in 2010 and is a quad-core Phenom II with DDR3 for the mainstream notebook market. Geneva is a lower powered 45nm dual-core product, presumably Phenom II as well, due out in 2010 for ultra portables.
AMD also revealed a bit of its 2011 roadmap; these products are based on the first new architecture since Phenom - called Bulldozer. I talked about Bulldozer a while ago but details have been scarce since then.
In 2011 AMD expects to be at 32nm with its Orochi, Llano, and Ontario cores. Orochi will be the new high-end enthusiast desktop product with more than four cores, more than 8MB of cache, and an integrated DDR3 memory controller. Remember from the server roadmap that in 2011 AMD will have four DDR3 memory channels on its server products so I'd expect at least a 3-channel DDR3 controller here.
Llano is the mainstream 32nm part with four cores, 4MB of cache, DDR3 memory controllers, and an on-die GPU. Note that this is a delayed introduction of the first CPU/GPU fusion product, originally scheduled for 2009. AMD stated that the plans for the first CPU/GPU products got pushed back simply because the 45nm designs weren't compelling enough. The dies get small enough at 32nm that you can actually offer tangible benefits. Note that this also means that the first single-package CPU/GPU will actually come from Intel in 2009 with a Nehalem derived part and not from AMD.
Finally we've got Ontario, which is a very low power core based on AMD's upcoming Bobcat core. It's a dual-core product with 1MB of cache, on-die GPU, and a DDR3 memory controller. We know even less about Bobcat, but I did write about it over a year ago.
The New Consumer Platforms
AMD outlined all of the new platforms we'd see in 2009 and they are as follows:
4Q 08 - Maui platform, HTPC with integrated 3.1 and 7.1 pre-amp or 5.1 amplified audio out.
1Q 09 - Dragon platform, 45nm Phenom II X4 processors
1H 2009 - Yukon platform, ultra portable and mini notebook space, sub-25W TDPs. These won't be Atom competitors, as they should be higher performance but also higher power consumption. These things will be targeted at netbooks and low-end notebooks.
2H 09 - Tigris platform, 45nm mainstream notebooks
2H 09 - Kodiak platform, 45nm business class notebooks
2H 09 - Pisces platform, 45nm quad and triple-core processors, consumer desktop
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Spoelie - Friday, November 14, 2008 - link
..Shanghai is it for the next 2 years?? That, except for some frequency bumps and a platform change to DDR3/HT3 (which will likely yield next to nothing on the desktop), they will be on a virtual standstill? For 2 years!Meanwhile Intel will have another tick and will replace Penryn (which Shanghai performs well against) with Nehalem (which it don't) top-to-bottom.
And by the time Bulldozer rolls in, it's tock time for Intel.
Somehow I'm disappointed.
mutarasector - Friday, November 14, 2008 - link
I was rather disappointed at this news as well. AM3 w/DDR3/HT3 was supposed to be available by Q2/Q3 2009...I was trying to decide between waiting for AM3 mobos, or a 790FX/SB750 mobo. Gigabyte doesn't have one just yet, and as far as I know, only Asus and Foxconn currently have a 790FX mobo paired up with an SB750 southbridge. I figured on waiting for AM3 mobos w/an improved SB800 southbridge, but now it looks like there will be a lot more time for more mobo makers to rework their existing 790FX boards with an updated SB750 southbridge.
Griswold - Friday, November 14, 2008 - link
You just dont know how things work when you're under financial pressure in horrific economy times like these. So it doesnt surprise me that you're disappointed.AMD is finally getting their act together with realistic goals and timelines and apparently a solid product on their hands.
sampsa5 - Friday, November 14, 2008 - link
Deneb features 8 MB of total cache.. not L3 cache:4 x 512 kb L2
6 MB L3
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TOTAL: 8 MB
MadMan007 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 - link
Please Please get your hands on the AVIVO transcoder. If it's not poor quality like Badaboom it will save me a lot of money because I will get a dual core instead of a quad :)If you can get it maybe give some feedback to AMD - make the encoder app semi-open. Allow plugins or extensions so people can use an encoding engine of their choice and make it usable for audio files as well. Not that the latter are slow but hey I've got a video card already right? That's in addition to overcoming the shortcomings of Badaboom like limited resolutions etc.
BigLan - Thursday, November 13, 2008 - link
How is this new? There's been an avivo converter available for 3 years now, though I think it only works on x1x00 series (I couldn't get it to work on my 3850.)http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2645...">http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2645...
Griswold - Friday, November 14, 2008 - link
Why bother asking if you gave the answer yourself? It does not work with any of the current processing monsters - nuff said. I just hope it also works on the 3000 series - they've just announced it for the 4000 series of GPUs, which doesnt make a lot of sense to me, considering its the same architecture anyway.JarredWalton - Friday, November 14, 2008 - link
I don't believe the original AVIVO handles H.264 at all. I remember trying it, and it was quite fast... when it worked. Unfortunately, in my testing it failed on so many files that it was practically useless, and even when it worked the settings you could tweak were extremely limiting.JarredWalton - Friday, November 14, 2008 - link
Sorry - the linked article wasn't coming up, but I was at least partially wrong. H.264 in AVIVO was present, but the options and file support were still very flaky last I tried it. Admittedly, that *was* over two years back, though, so maybe it got better at some point.kuk - Thursday, November 13, 2008 - link
Hurray for the F1 naming scheme.