Seasonic M12D 850W: DC-to-DC Perfection?
by Christoph Katzer on November 26, 2008 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
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DC Output Stability and Quality
The DC output of the 12V rail was as stable as Seasonic claimed in their promotional material. Total regulation was just above 2%, which is a very good result. The lower voltage rails don't do quite as well, with regulation of up to 5%. That's still within spec, but we have certainly seen better results. Given the importance of the 12V rail, however, doing well there means more than doing well on the smaller rails.
The ripple and noise measurements we measured were close to Seasonic's Chroma 8000 results. The 3.3V rail topped out at 25mV, much more than the 5V rail that stayed under 13mV. 12V1 also has very low ripple with only 16mV, but the second 12V rail tops out at up to 35mV due to a large spike.
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CEO Ballmer - Saturday, November 29, 2008 - link
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InterClaw - Friday, November 28, 2008 - link
How much power does the M12D consume while in standby mode (switch on) running on 230Vac?Christoph Katzer - Saturday, November 29, 2008 - link
I will have a small update on that because I did some further testing. The M12D has an incredible high sb-efficiency with up to 76% which is really good compared to 40-ish% of many others.daar - Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - link
Can someone explain the significance for the DC-to-DC configuration over what they or other PSU manufacturers normally do? I mean other than the odd efficiency curves, it doesn't really provide anything unique when compared to say, the Enermax.PrinceGaz - Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - link
I'm guessing here and haven't checked my "facts", but I'm guessing the DC-DC conversion helps because it allows the PSU manufacturer to concentrate most of their effort on providing a clean and efficient +12V rail from the AC supply, then tag the conversion circuitry onto the end of that to generate the less critical +5V and +3.3V rails.The alternative is to have seperate circuitry for generating +12V, +5V, and +3.3V all individually from the AC supply.
JarredWalton - Thursday, November 27, 2008 - link
I believe that's right - it's easier to do 12V DC to 3.3V/5V DC than it is to do 120V/230V AC to the same, so you do one good AC-to-DC conversion and then a couple simpler DC-to-DC conversions.mindless1 - Saturday, November 29, 2008 - link
It's not necessarily easier, it's just that if you first convert to 12V alone you have maximized the amount of 12V current a single transformer of a given size can produce, then let that be the primary feedback voltage to determine switching pulse width. That typically also means you can have higher ratios of 12V to 5V or 3.3V current without going out of spec. It makes more and more sense to do so when a PSU is of high wattage as it's then expected to have so much more 12V current consumption as a % of total power used.Mr Perfect - Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - link
Maybe you could put a bug in Seasonic's ear about their "little" 120mm fan? Looking at the acoustic results, you can't help but wonder what a 140mm fan could have done for that curve. A 140mm might have shifted the whole curve down two or three decibels.piroroadkill - Thursday, November 27, 2008 - link
Bear in mind half of the fan is usually covered towards the front of the PSU, I'm really not sure a 140mm fan helps at all, because that's simply more airflow that's blocked by a baffle. This baffles me (hurr)... Seems like 120mm is perfectly adequete, and more to the point, if you so wish to change the fan yourself, at least 120mm is a standard sizeMr Perfect - Thursday, November 27, 2008 - link
140s are mainly interesting because they produce any given amount of airflow at a lower RPM then 120s. So rather then run it at the same RPM as the 120, and just block more airflow, they could run it at a lower RPM while producing the same airflow. Then maybe it would top out around 28DB instead of a 31DB, or idle at 15db instead of 17. Hopefully there wouldn't be a need to change the fan then.