10.2: Crossfire Profiles, DisplayPort Audio, & Crossfire Rearchitecture

The last big feature coming with the 10.2 drivers is a change to how AMD profiles games for Crossfire support. Currently the profiles are integrated in to AMD’s drivers, meaning AMD has to produce a complete hotfix driver whenever they need to publish what’s otherwise a minor profile update to enable Crossfire support for a game. This is clumsy for the user (it’s 110MB+), a source of extra work for AMD, and a nuisance for all parties since it means it can take quite some time before Crossfire support gets enabled on a game.

For 10.2, AMD is finally stepping up to the plate and separating the Crossfire profiles from the drivers. The profiles are now stored in a separate encrypted file (atiapfxx.blb) that can easily be updated whenever AMD needs to publish a new set of profiles. AMD will now be able to offer a small executable download that will install the latest profile set, and can update that out-of-band without interfering with driver releases and development.

For NVIDIA users, this is nothing new. NVIDIA has offered the same feature for quite some time, so this brings AMD up to parity with NVIDIA on the matter.  The recently released Mass Effect 2 is a great example of this: NVIDIA was able to publish a half-megabyte profile update, while AMD had to publish a 112MB Catalyst hotfix. With profile support, AMD will now be able to publish small (and potentially frequent) profile updates just like NVIDIA has been doing.


The files in a Catalyst profile update

There is still going to be one difference between the two companies however, and that’s letting end-users meddle with profiles. NVIDIA has allowed end-users to write and edit profiles for games (including through the use of tools like nHancer) while AMD has not. This will not be changing – AMD users will still not be able to write their own profiles.

When we asked Terry about this at CES, he said that AMD’s position is that they believe users are better off with professionally created and validated profiles, rather than enthusiast created profiles that may end up having problems. We don’t disagree with the logic of this statement, but as enthusiasts we have never been above getting our hands dirty and/or creating problems in the process of solving them (it’s half the fun!). AMD absolutely needs to publish profiles for games, but we still want to see AMD relinquish some of their control of game profiles so that enthusiasts have the ability to play with them if they desire.

To that end, we did some digging and at least in the 10.3 driver set being sampled to us, AMD includes a utility called atiapfxx that can read and write the encrypted files that store profiles. However in spite of its proclaimed ability to decrypt AMD’s profiles, we have been unable to successfully do so as the tool keeps crashing. Furthermore AMD declined to provide us with any kind of sample of what an unencrypted profile (which would be in XML form) would look like, so we don’t even know quite what’s in a profile. Finally, it looks like AMD is signing the profiles with a key (not included) judging from the command-line options in the utility. So in spite of having moved profiles out of the drivers, it doesn’t look like enthusiasts are any closer to getting to write profiles for AMD’s drivers.

Moving on, we have the addition of DisplayPort Audio to AMD’s drivers. This is another 10.2 feature that originally showed up in the 9.12 hotfix drivers, so its inclusion here should come as no surprise. The DisplayPort standard allows for audio to be transmitted along-side the video stream, and while AMD’s hardware has supported it, it’s only finally being enabled in the drivers. Right now it’s a forward-looking feature – since DisplayPort isn’t meant to replace HDMI for TV connections, it’s only used by a few monitors that have some kind of integrated audio capabilities such as built-in speakers or a built-in headphone jack, such as Dell’s U2410.

Finally, AMD has been doing some work to rearchitect how Crossfire works at the driver level, and those changes are in the 10.2 drivers. AMD has moved some Crossfire code from the 3D driver to a separate driver component as a forward-looking gesture. By doing this, AMD is getting the Catalyst drivers ready for future products such as Llano, AMD’s first CPU/GPU Fuzion product. The ultimate purpose is going to be to allow them to better combine IGP and discrete GPUs, much like Hybrid Crossfire did on AMD’s earlier products but with a greater tolerance for feature differences. Bear in particular mind that AMD’s next IGP (before Fuzion) will be DX10.1 based, while AMD’s current GPUs are DX11 based.


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  • bhaberle - Monday, March 8, 2010 - link

    It looks like ATI Catalyst 10.3 Beta leaked out. I am pretty happy with it. You can download it here ( http://www.geekmontage.com/ati-catalyst-10-3-beta-...">http://www.geekmontage.com/ati-catalyst-10-3-beta-... ) I see it on a few other sites too, just do a google search.
  • dvdreplication - Thursday, February 25, 2010 - link

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  • Scali - Monday, February 22, 2010 - link

    Is it just me, or did ATi not talk about OpenCL support at all?
    As far as I can tell, it's still not included in the 10.2 drivers, I still need to install the Stream SDK to get the actual OpenCL runtimes.
    This is not acceptable for distribution to end-users. They will just need to include the OpenCL runtimes in the driver package.
  • DanaGoyette - Saturday, February 20, 2010 - link

    Mobility drivers for HD-series graphics cards sounds great... but what about laptops that have the FireGL-branded cards, such as mine?
    For example, HP's latest Win7 driver for my laptop is 8.632 -- which is really old.
    http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/S...">http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te...ng=13&am...
    My ideal case: mobility drivers that offer the professional features (such as "10-bit pixel format", though I don't have a display capable of using that) -- even if they're not ISV-certified.

    Also, ATI has had some form of quad-buffered stereo on the workstation cards for a while; it's cool to see it now expanded to cover consumer cards (and hopefully laptops, as well).
  • LordanSS - Friday, February 19, 2010 - link

    I had to, one more friggin time, revert back to 9.12 hotfix because the darned mouse cursor bug is back.

    Why the hell can't they get this straight? Geez.
  • Quidam67 - Thursday, February 18, 2010 - link

    Sorry if this is off-topic, but it seems like a place I might get soem help on this:

    Having recently returned to AMD with the purchase of a HD5770 I'm having problems with the latest drivers, specifically they just don't seem to (properly) recognise my Panasonic V series LCD. The result is there is no DVI or HDMI (have tried both) Item added to the root tree menu in CCC. This means that amoungst other things, I can't alter the scaling -which by default results in a desktop screen that is significantly shrunk in the middle of my display.

    Luckily for me I also own a Samsung LCD. CCC recognises the Samsung and I get the DVI tree menu, which then allows me to adjust the scaling to zero. This setting is "remembered" when I plug back into my Panasonic -but what a headache, and I assume I'll need to do this everytime I update to a new ccc/driverset.

    So is this a fault with the Panny and the EDID data it sends, or is this an issue with ATI's software? The ting is I tried a much older rig running a HD3850 AGP and 8.9 drivers, and they seemed to detect the TV fine.

  • Quidam67 - Friday, February 19, 2010 - link

    For what it is worth, the 10.2 drivers seem to have fixed the problem I referred to above. I know get a menu item titled +DVT(DVI)4 in ccc giving me the scaling options back again.
    Thank god for that. I can only assume that between driver releases 9 thru 10.1 they broke something
  • Bolas - Thursday, February 18, 2010 - link

    Last year I came up with a joke about this subject. Hope you like it.

    How is ATI like a VW commercial?














    They're both "drivers wanted".
  • Roland00 - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    Does this mean you can use 3 monitors without buying a Displayport monitor and an active adapter? For if you have 4 cards you will have 4 TMDS signal generators.
  • Roland00 - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    Meant to say 2 cards with 4 TMDS signal generators

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