Q3'05 AMD Roadmap; DDR2 and New Sockets for AMD
by Kristopher Kubicki & Jarred Walton on July 21, 2005 1:47 PM EST- Posted in
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AMD CPU Roadmap Update
We haven't updated our AMD roadmap for a few months, in part due to overlapping NDAs and product launches. Unfortunately we are just about to go under NDA for AMD's next low clock X2 processor - but rather than postpone another roadmap we decided to carry on just without that information. Our last detailed AMD roadmap was actually back in December, and we have quite a bit of new information to cover. We'll focus primarily on the upcoming parts, which will be highlighted in red in our tables, but we'll also list details on many of the currently shipping parts. Let's start with the desktop sector.
Introducing M2
The big news of course is the upcoming transition from socket 939 to socket M2. M2 will have 940 pins, and while the actual layout of motherboards with the new socket will be very similar to socket 939, processors will obviously not be pin compatible. The same goes for current socket 940 processors: they won't work or fit in socket M2. That makes sense, considering that M2 will require the use of DDR2 memory. The similarity in layout will allow motherboard makers to quickly adapt 939 designs to M2, however.
Initially slated to support up to DDR2-667, the socket M2 processors will launch in the second quarter of 2006. Codenamed Orleans for the single core processors, the roadmaps include few details on the clock speeds or cache amounts of the new parts. Without speculating too much, we would assume that the specifications will be the same as equivalent 939 processors, but we could be wrong. Another possibility is that the DDR2 parts will outperform the socket 939 parts, allowing AMD to modify their names (again). Either option seems equally likely, and we wouldn't be surprised to see the 4000+ M2 ship as a 2.6 GHz 512K part, as that would allow the use of a single design for the three listed chips.
Processors running on the new M2 socket are dubbed Revision "F". Revision "F" processors carry all the features of existing "E" CPUs, but along with the new socket comes some significant changes in power. For example, a typical Revision "E" San Diego Athlon 64 utilizes 80 amps with a maximum TDP around 90W. The new Revision "F" CPUs will use 95 amps instead. However, although the processors require a bump in the current, the power remains the same. Unfortunately, expect massive increases in TDP. From the roadmap we expect the FX M2 processors to have a max TDP of 125W, 110W for dual core and 104W for single core. Revision "F" implements a new Bi-Directional PROCHOT so that the motherboard can throttle the processor dynamically, but the CPU can also override and throttle itself if necessary.
The main changes to the processor diagram only appear to be the integrated DDR2 controller instead of the integrated DDR1 controller.
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Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link
Use the REPLY button.JarredWalton - Saturday, August 6, 2005 - link
The new threaded view for comments came into effect after this was posted. Look at the date of the post. Older articles are going to have odd looking comments, but that's the price of progress.tygrus - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
DD3 (2007/8) can use the same FB-DIMM interface as DD2 FB-DIMM's. That may be OK for servers but the first desktops with DDR2 not use the FB-DIMM interface. FB-DIMM interface still has a few performance limiations per channel. Eletrical and frequency may change in future versions for DDR3.AMD really need a move on if they don't wont to be steam-rolled by Intel. Intel are not going to sit idly by and leave AMD with a performance lead. It's too slow to wait for AMD to make the changes and wait for new technology. Waiting for mid-2006 for DDR2 is too slow when slower DDR2 is hitting price prity with DDR. By Q1-2006, DDR1 will be more expensive than todays prices and faster DDR2 wil be cheaper than DDR1, Intel will have faster/cooler 65nm CPU's and AMD will still have a very slow trickly of faster CPU's until their 65nm. It's only been about 400MHz increase per year for the last 2.5 years. I want 200MHz+ every quarter.
johnsonx - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
Also, let's not forget that town from the Jackass bit:Mianus
(pronounced 'My Anus'... don't recall what state it's in)
johnsonx - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
There's a small town in Minnesota that would make a perfect name for AMD's next CPU:Nimrod
yacoub - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
Man, what's gonna happen when they run out of cool city/town names?? :(lsman - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
#11 DDR3 in 2007 = another socket.Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link
Oh boy, just Reply to the post you're refering to instead of using the old numbers, that dont even exist anymore. Get over it, this is how comments will be from now on.PrinceGaz - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
#12- thanks for that, they've got the new lower-clocked X2 listed :)Athlon 64 X2 3800+ - 2.0 GHz, Manchester (2x512K L2), due Aug 2005.
Unfortunately there isn't a Toledo 2.0 GHz part (which would be the X2 4000+), but that makes sense as they don't want to sell an expensive to manufacture part at a low price.
The X2 3800+ isn't for me as I want the larger cache, so I'm not going to delay going for a X2 4400+ now (I was going to wait and see what the new part was). Thanks again for the link :)
coomar - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link
hasn't a lot of this information been known for a whilethe roadmap for a64's:
http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/
has had this for the last 4-6 months